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Are Canaline Marine Engines any good ?


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6 minutes ago, Boater Sam said:

12K hours, its just about run in.  I reckon 200 hours is about 5000 road miles so its about equivalent to 300,000 miles only

I have seen Sherpa vans with over 500K miles on the clock, total rusty wrecks but the engines have been in fair nick. 

So worry not, feed it clean oil and filters, thrash it once a month and it will be fine. Ignore the compulsory oil leaks from the lift pump and the timing cover, they all do.

 

Still, if you fancy a new one, I'll happily have the old BMC for some cash.

 

When you say "thrash it once a month", do you mean in gear or out? Also, for how long?

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Thanks, that's reassuring to hear Sam. I religiously change to oil and filters every 200 hours and keep up with the other maintenance too, and I do about 500 hours a year including the occasional 'thrashing' on rivers. You're right about the oil leaks, it comes with the territory. I once had a share syndicate boat with a BMC 1.8 and when I sold my share it had done 18,000 hours and was still going strong.

 

Am I being paranoid or merely prepared in case ?. More the latter really.

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8 minutes ago, eid said:

 

When you say "thrash it once a month", do you mean in gear or out? Also, for how long?

Definitely in gear, you need to get the cylinder pressures and temperatures as high as possible. Not so easy following that advice on the canals in a responsible manner but the least irresponsible method I feel is to seed through a tunnel unless you have a river section close by.

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3 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

Definitely in gear, you need to get the cylinder pressures and temperatures as high as possible. Not so easy following that advice on the canals in a responsible manner but the least irresponsible method I feel is to seed through a tunnel unless you have a river section close by.

Great. Thanks Tony.

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16 minutes ago, eid said:

 

When you say "thrash it once a month", do you mean in gear or out? Also, for how long?

Always in gear and on the move. Obviously not causing a wash but if you are on a deep wide canal with hard banks taking it up 50% more than usual for a while will do it good.

Rivers are best, an hour or more fighting the Trent clears the cobwebs beautifully. Get it hot and it will run better for weeks.

And never tickover charging batteries, 1500 revs minimum and out of gear on a canal else the bank suffers.

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On 02/04/2019 at 09:58, nebulae said:

From my experience with an H P I 42 unit,the horse power rating is at an engine speed that does not relate to canal use. The engine was an Isuzu 42hp. My engine was raw water cooled,(with a heat exchanger) which was normaly supplied suplied for sea going use, with a PRM 120, while the keel cooled unit was supplied with the PRM 150, Plenty of power for river use,but my engine would not rev beond 2,200 rpm(acording to the rev counter) I believe the base unit was not de-rated for marine use so the 42hp would be at the flywheel at somewhere near to 3,000 rpm? I believe the Canal line engine is the same unit.

No, the Canaline 42 uses a 2 litre Korean Kioti core engine ( 42hp @ 2600 rpm)   Isuzu core engines are no longer available.

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3 hours ago, eid said:

 

When you say "thrash it once a month", do you mean in gear or out? Also, for how long?

Barrus recommend you run the engine at full throttle in gear for 15 minutes every 50hours.

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3 hours ago, Boater Sam said:

Always in gear and on the move. Obviously not causing a wash but if you are on a deep wide canal with hard banks taking it up 50% more than usual for a while will do it good.

Rivers are best, an hour or more fighting the Trent clears the cobwebs beautifully. Get it hot and it will run better for weeks.

And never tickover charging batteries, 1500 revs minimum and out of gear on a canal else the bank suffers.

 

58 minutes ago, Flyboy said:

Barrus recommend you run the engine at full throttle in gear for 15 minutes every 50hours.

Thank you both.

 

I've only ever had the engine at full throttle for about a minute in the whole time I've had the boat. Finding somewhere to do this regularly will be challenging, though I do have to go through Nuneaton soon. Then hopefully I'll get some rivery bits on the T&M when I get there so I can give it a good run.

 

I do tend to dawdle generally so I'll have to try and at least go "normal" speed now and then.

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5 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

How strange: they ask people to contact them "for pricing enquiries". You'd think that a price list would be an essential part of any seller's catalogue. Perhaps it depends on how many they've sold that month - if business is slack they'll sell you one cheaper.

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2 minutes ago, Athy said:

How strange: they ask people to contact them "for pricing enquiries". You'd think that a price list would be an essential part of any seller's catalogue. Perhaps it depends on how many they've sold that month - if business is slack they'll sell you one cheaper.

may also be to do with so called consumer protection legislation that did away with fixed retail pricing.

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2 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

may also be to do with so called consumer protection legislation that did away with fixed retail pricing.

Possibly, Tony; but I just looked at a car manufacturers's web site (Suzuki) and each car is exactly priced, as are all its optional extras.

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1 hour ago, Athy said:

How strange: they ask people to contact them "for pricing enquiries". You'd think that a price list would be an essential part of any seller's catalogue. Perhaps it depends on how many they've sold that month - if business is slack they'll sell you one cheaper.

Probably because engines are a lot more expensive than many people expect, so they want you to call so they can start giving the hard sell and depending on how much they want the sale some discounts.

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11 minutes ago, Chewbacka said:

Probably because engines are a lot more expensive than many people expect, so they want you to call so they can start giving the hard sell and depending on how much they want the sale some discounts.

Possibly - though a car (unless it's one of those Dacia jobs) is even more expensive.

 

I'm guessing that a mid-sized engine + gearbox would cost about £5,000?

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58 minutes ago, Chewbacka said:

Probably because engines are a lot more expensive than many people expect, so they want you to call so they can start giving the hard sell and depending on how much they want the sale some discounts.

A number of specialist canal related suppliers seem to me to do likewise, primarily where most of their sales are via appointed agents. They prefer to give freedom to the 'retailers' to set their own prices, depending on what they agree (privately) with the manufacturer/wholesaler and their business costs. There are some that only supply 'to the trade'. I guess there are vanishingly few boat owners who are interested in fitting a new engine themselves, rather than get an expert to do it who then has some liability if it goes awry.

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5 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

A number of specialist canal related suppliers seem to me to do likewise, primarily where most of their sales are via appointed agents. They prefer to give freedom to the 'retailers' to set their own prices, depending on what they agree (privately) with the manufacturer/wholesaler and their business costs. There are some that only supply 'to the trade'. I guess there are vanishingly few boat owners who are interested in fitting a new engine themselves, rather than get an expert to do it who then has some liability if it goes awry.

 

I think the bit in red is the law, manufacturer/importer set pricing was done away with years ago. But I don't see why an indicative price can not be displayed.

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6 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

I think the bit in red is the law, manufacturer/importer set pricing was done away with years ago. But I don't see why an indicative price can not be displayed.

A bit like shops, if they have things on display with no prices on them I know I cant afford them, boat yards selling diesel that don't display prices are expensive. If I need to ask how much it costs I cant afford it as a rule.

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