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[emlclcy]

I'm putting a second centre line on but am puzzled how to splice the end of the rope to form a loop. Any one know any good knot websites?

Cheers

Carl

[eightacre]

I buy my ropes from Tradline - see here: http://www.tradline.co.uk/

 

Plenty of knots here: http://www.animatedknots.com/indexboating.php?LogoImage=&Website=

[Scholar Gypsy]

I've got a rather old book, but this video does the same .. moving to the left, take the next strand over the strand you've just gone under, and under the next one.

 

The third tuck is the tricky bit. NB knots and splices are not the same...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=7&v=pLox_ajDGLo

Edited September 19, 2015 by Scholar Gypsy

[emlclcy]

Thanks for the video link just perfect and thanks for the splice knot correction, quite right

Carl

[RLWP]

I've got a rather old book, but this video does the same .. moving to the left, take the next strand over the strand you've just gone under, and under the next one.

 

The third tuck is the tricky bit. NB knots and splices are not the same...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=7&v=pLox_ajDGLo

 

Nor are bends and hitches

 

That's a nicely done video. As you say, that third tuck is the one that seems to make the difference - and it will still work even if you get a bit of a scruffy splice

 

Richard

[Tony Dunkley]

 

Nor are bends and hitches

 

That's a nicely done video. As you say, that third tuck is the one that seems to make the difference - and it will still work even if you get a bit of a scruffy splice

 

Richard

 

The video might be nicely done, but the splice isn't. It's a fairly scruffy job without each strand being 'settled' into the lay before doing the next tuck, and of only the usual two and a half tucks ( the first tuck counts as a half tuck), which is fine for natural fibre rope. The rope that's used here looks to me like Polyester (nylon), and because it's so smooth and slippery it needs at least two more full tucks to be reliable.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Tony Dunkley

[David Mack]

But being polyester/nylon he was able to finish it neatly with a hot knife to cut and seal the ends in one go. Not so easy with natural fibre.

[Tony Dunkley]

But being polyester/nylon he was able to finish it neatly with a hot knife to cut and seal the ends in one go. Not so easy with natural fibre.

 

I don't think that'll be much of a consolation if the splice starts 'drawing' and fails under heavy strain.

[David Mack]

 

I don't think that'll be much of a consolation if the splice starts 'drawing' and fails under heavy strain.

True! I would have done at least one more tuck on each strand.

[blackrose]

Why do you need a spliced loop on a centre rope? If it's to go through the centre eye then why not just use a bowline? I use a bowline with a hitch to be on the safe side. You could put your spliced loop through the eye and then put the standing end through the loop I suppose. I'm not sure which is stronger.

 

What you don't want is a loop in the standing end of the rope as that could get caught on something. Just use a backsplice.

Edited September 19, 2015 by blackrose

[RLWP]

 

The video might be nicely done, but the splice isn't. It's a fairly scruffy job without each strand being 'settled' into the lay before doing the next tuck, and of only the usual two and a half tucks ( the first tuck counts as a half tuck), which is fine for natural fibre rope. The rope that's used here looks to me like Polyester (nylon), and because it's so smooth and slippery it needs at least two more full tucks to be reliable.

 

I'm looking forward to your superior video Tony

 

Richard

[Tony Dunkley]

 

I'm looking forward to your superior video Tony

 

Richard

 

Don't do videos, . . . . . but "superior" is hardly adequate to describe my splices.

[magnetman]

You can knot be serious

[Tony Dunkley]

You can knot be serious

 

Without exception, my splicing always goes without a hitch.

[RLWP]

Don't do videos, . . . . . but "superior" is hardly adequate to describe my splices.

I can manage 'useable'.

 

Richard

[Ray T]

 

Don't do videos, . . . . . but "superior" is hardly adequate to describe my splices.

 

Your better than "superior" splices are only outclassed by your great modesty.

[Liam]

I prefer lines with whipped ends rather than backs splices. They always jam at the most inconvenient time.

[lockedout]

I prefer lines with whipped ends rather than backs splices. They always jam at the most inconvenient time.

 

Seconded! I would never have a backsplice anywhere near any of the very many lumpy water boats I have looked after over the years.

 

The ends of lines should always have either a stopper knot, or be free to run.

 

As with so many things in life, whipping is the answer...

[jonathanA]

Why do you need a spliced loop on a centre rope? If it's to go through the centre eye then why not just use a bowline? I use a bowline with a hitch to be on the safe side. You could put your spliced loop through the eye and then put the standing end through the loop I suppose. I'm not sure which is stronger.

What you don't want is a loop in the standing end of the rope as that could get caught on something. Just use a backsplice.

It's generally accepted that a splice is stronger than knot. IIRC a splice retains 75% of the ropes strength compared to 50% for a knot

 

As sailors we make knots rather than tie them.....

[RLWP]

Seconded! I would never have a backsplice anywhere near any of the very many lumpy water boats I have looked after over the years.

 

The ends of lines should always have either a stopper knot, or be free to run.

 

As with so many things in life, whipping is the answer...

Horses for courses. Lines and sheets at sea run through blocks and eyes and stuff. I don't have any small gaps that handling lines have to pass through, and so I'm happy to have decorative splices on the end

 

Richard

[blackrose]

It's generally accepted that a splice is stronger than knot. IIRC a splice retains 75% of the ropes strength compared to 50% for a knot

 

As sailors we make knots rather than tie them.....

Yes, I'm sure you're right, but I'm also sure that a bowline on a decent rope is plenty strong enough to hold a narrowboat.

[GUMPY]

I've got to the stage in life where time is a precious commodity, so unless someone else spilces the eye, I just tie a bowline. Oh and as for whipping I find adhesive heatshrink does a fine job in much less time.

[ditchcrawler]

I prefer lines with whipped ends rather than backs splices. They always jam at the most inconvenient time.

Agree

[tidal]

There was a time when I could splice wire, braided rope and multiplait to themselves or to each other.
I had the time, the inclination and didn't have to put on reading glasses.

Now I use heavier ropes and make knots and pay someone to splice any wires I need

[Theo]

I prefer lines with whipped ends rather than backs splices. They always jam at the most inconvenient time.

 

The lamptrimmer on the Aden used to call a backsplice a "dog's cock". It was a good companion to a monkey's fist. The trouble with a DC is that it doubles the CSA of the end of the rope.

 

N