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Zeus the Apprentice Cuthound

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Thanks for the recommendstions Woodstock.

 

Always nice to hear from someone who has actually been there and done that :)

 

If progress is too slow with the one I have engaged, I will try Capable Canines, we are a 10 minute drive from the Arboretum. Also thanks for the advice to stay away from BB.

 

Zeus is great with people, but barks madly at dogs he can see through the patio door (which looks out across the canal to the towpath, where there is an endless supply of dogs to bark at). As previously stated he is aggressive to other dogs when out. It may just be lead aggression, but I cannot risk letting him off the lead when another dog is present to find out.

 

I too hope to take him to agility classes once he is capable of interacting safely with other dogs, because dogs doing agility classes always look as though they are thoroughly enjoying it.

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Now I've no idea if this is the way, but when he's looking out across the Canal from your home I would sit on the floor next to him and reassure him that all is well with the world.

 

Barry, Bazza2, mentioned sometime ago I think, that it seems that it's apprehension that causes a dog to go loopy. Sorry to Barry if I'm incorrect.

 

Martyn

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Thanks Martyn,

 

I will give it a try but I think it is lack of socialisation, rather than apprehension. There is a critical period between 8 and 18 weeks when dogs should be exposed to different people, dogs and situations as possible to prevent them from becoming scared of them.

 

Whilst he is great with people, loud bangs etc, he is intolerant of dogs.

 

The dog behaviourist will desensititise him by gradually bringing other dogs nearer to him, so that eventually he is happy to share space with them.

 

If the behaviourist is successful with Zeus, I might see if there is anything he can do with anti social boaters :)

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Thanks Martyn,

I will give it a try but I think it is lack of socialisation, rather than apprehension. There is a critical period between 8 and 18 weeks when dogs should be exposed to different people, dogs and situations as possible to prevent them from becoming scared of them.

Whilst he is great with people, loud bangs etc, he is intolerant of dogs.

The dog behaviourist will desensititise him by gradually bringing other dogs nearer to him, so that eventually he is happy to share space with them.

If the behaviourist is successful with Zeus, I might see if there is anything he can do with anti social boaters :)

Good luck with your last statement. Don't hold your breath.

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Major milestone achieved today with Zeus.

 

We have now had him 17 months, and he has been training at Capable Canines (thanks for the recommendation Woodstock) for 16 months.

 

He is now in the top class at Capable Canines, walking off lead, to heel, with other dogs. However outside of the training barn, he is still very reactive to other dogs. So I have employed a young man who walks dogs, called Martin.

 

Martin is helping us walk Zeus once a week, past other dogs. He asked me what goals I have. I said I would like to walk Zeus past other dogs without him reacting and eventually to take him into the "Sammy Barlow" (a very dog friendly pub) whilst I have a pint.

 

Today we did that, although unusually, there were no other dogs in there to really test him.

 

I'll get him to a banter yet.

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I waved at him as I crunched through the ice on Monday. He just gave me a mournful look.

What time? We were out shopping on Monday morning.

 

I'm surprised he didn't bark at you. I guess you were travelling slowly because of the ice.

 

Zeus makes a point of barking at boaters who he thinks are speeding past DQ to bring them to my attention, oh, and those with dogs on board, and swans, and ducks, and moorhens and anyone who he thinks looks suspicious walking on the towpath :)

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Quite an achievement if you don't mind me saying so. It has taken a lot of patience and determination.

 

One of our two year old Jack Russell's, when on lead, barks dramatically at other dogs when passing, whether they are on a lead or not. With the owners understanding we sometimes stop and chat and within a minute our little rascal calms down and all is quite.

If she's not on a lead, quite often we can pass other dogs without any fuss. It seems, we reckon, she is apprehensive of the approaching animal.

 

We introduce both dogs to other dogs as often as possible. It seems to be working.

 

Well done. A beautiful dog. I like them.

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Quite an achievement if you don't mind me saying so. It has taken a lot of patience and determination.

One of our two year old Jack Russell's, when on lead, barks dramatically at other dogs when passing, whether they are on a lead or not. With the owners understanding we sometimes stop and chat and within a minute our little rascal calms down and all is quite.

If she's not on a lead, quite often we can pass other dogs without any fuss. It seems, we reckon, she is apprehensive of the approaching animal.

We introduce both dogs to other dogs as often as possible. It seems to be working.

Well done. A beautiful dog. I like them.

Thanks, he is still a work in progress but slowly getting there.

 

As you say, the trick is a gradual and frequently repeated exposure to other dogs.

 

Soon we will leave him all day with Martin the dog walker, when we do the "Santa Run" to drop presents off to the grandkids in Kent.

 

We can't take Zeus with us because they have two cats. Martin has said Zeus can stay at his house with his 3 dogs, so it should be interesting to see if spending all day in the presence of other dogs helps.

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Haven't been on here for a while. Great to see Zeus is doing well and Capable Canines are living up to the reccomendation. We still have our Jack Russell- Scruff- whom Jackie helped and I often wonder how she's doing- say hello from Jackie and Scruff- Its been a while but she might remember us

 

Woodstock is still at Alvecote- although we havent been boating much as I'm recovering from an operation- but hope to be fully fit soon. If you see us- we're moored through the gate, canal side and Scruff is white wiry JRT with patches- say hello and introduce Zeus. Scruff loves the Samuel Barlow- mind you- so do I- great Sunday lunch

 

Well done to both of you- I love it when a dog is helped

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On 2017-5-11 at 16:44, Woodstock said:

Haven't been on here for a while. Great to see Zeus is doing well and Capable Canines are living up to the reccomendation. We still have our Jack Russell- Scruff- whom Jackie helped and I often wonder how she's doing- say hello from Jackie and Scruff- Its been a while but she might remember us

 

Woodstock is still at Alvecote- although we havent been boating much as I'm recovering from an operation- but hope to be fully fit soon. If you see us- we're moored through the gate, canal side and Scruff is white wiry JRT with patches- say hello and introduce Zeus. Scruff loves the Samuel Barlow- mind you- so do I- great Sunday lunch

 

Well done to both of you- I love it when a dog is helped

Good to hear from you again Woodstock,  I will say hello to Jackie from you and Scruff.

As you are at Alvecote you have probably passed by my mooring several times. Feel free to stop and chat.

19 hours ago, Cheshire cat said:

It's nice to be reminded of Zeus again

Yes, he continues to make steady but slow progress.

Martyn the dog walker (Ozzy's Dog Walking and Training) has been really helpful. He does "pack walks" and invited Zeus and I to walk with him. Zeus has quickly learnt how to walk, run and play off lead with the other dogs, which is heart warming to see. He also continues to do well at Capable Canines.

However he still has issues passing other dogs when on the lead in the real world, but we occasionally manage to get past one,  and those occasions are slowly becoming more frequent  (up to about 1 in 100 now ;)).

Both Jackie and Martyn have tried but seem unable to train it out of him, it looks like a guarding issue as he doesn't do it when they walk him. It's a shame because it is the only thing he needs to improve now, and limits his and our enjoyment a bit. Still it's only been 22 months of training to date, and he will be 3 at the end  of month, when apparently GSD's mature.

Here is a picture of Zeus relaxing after a stressful training session...

 

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Looks like he is in for the full 5 year apprenticeship -_-

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Great to hear- we must have done about 3 years- Jackie helped Scruff quite quickly but we enjoyed the classes 

 

It does sound like he's protecting you-. We still have the odd issues- Scruff's so much better, but even so , occasionally he'll have a yap at other dogs- He hadnt been socialised but at the grand age of 10- he's decided he likes other dogs and if we dont introduce him to other dogs - say in a pub- he'll pull to get to them and starts yapping- and being a Jack russell, its an ear piercing yap sometimes

 

Dont forget to look back every so often and remember how far you've come in a relatively short time.

 

Will say hello next time we're over

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So after 2 and a half years of training at Capable Canines, Alrewas, Zeus has achieved his "Top Dog" award. The highest level of basic obedience training they do. 

Sarah and I are so proud of him.  When we first took him he was trying to kill all of the other dogs there!

He is still a work in progress and still occasionally reacts to other dogs,  but so much calmer and better behaved now than when we first rescued him.

Next step will be agility training.

If I had known how difficult it would be to change his behaviour I think I would have chosen another rescue dog!

Still it has been and continues to be immensely rewarding, and, despite having been a project manager for a significant part of my career, by far the most difficult project I have ever managed.

 

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Lovely news Alan.

We will never be able to achieve anything like this with Millie the Mutt (part Parsons, part JRT) because of her congenital deafness, but that doesn't stop us from loving her to bits!

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9 minutes ago, Ray T said:

Lovely news Alan.

We will never be able to achieve anything like this with Millie the Mutt (part Parsons, part JRT) because of her congenital deafness, but that doesn't stop us from loving her to bits!

Thanks Ray.

Dogs do tend to leave paw prints on your heart don't they :D

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Well done Zeuz.   Satchidanander, my cat has been awarded the ''Incapable feline award''.

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Reminds me of our son's father- in -law who took his GS Trutz for training When I asked how he went I was told " Trutz passed but Harry failed ! ". 

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30 minutes ago, timbouy said:

Reminds me of our son's father- in -law who took his GS Trutz for training When I asked how he went I was told " Trutz passed but Harry failed ! ". 

Yes, at the end of the assessment, 4 of the 12 dogs there were called to a separate area and the owners told their dog had reached the required standard and if the owners correctly answered a series of questions on the responsibilities of dog ownership, they would get their certificate.

Luckily I managed to answer the questions correctly!

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On 17/07/2015 at 08:48, cuthound said:

On Wednesday evening we picked up a 13 month old rescue German Shepherd named Zeus.

 

Here are some photo's of him.

 

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He needs to be trained before he can become fully fledged cuthound, but showed promise by immediately stepping onto the counter of DQ without being prompted.

 

He has a few issues, which need working on before he can come to banters etc, namely incessant barking whenever he sees another dog, pulling really heavily on a lead and jumping up. I don't think he was ever socialised or even taken for walks on a lead.

 

However underneath all that, which can be trained out, is a lovely friendly, sociable to humans dog. No food or toy aggression at all.

 

Look out for him on the cut, and once he has learnt some manners, I will bring him along to a banter, so that he can be introiduced to Starry's magical handbag!

 

 

 

I hadn't remembered he pictures, he is a beautiful dog. Well worth the efforts you're putting into him.

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Congratulations and well done to you and to him. I'm sure you will both reap the benefits of this hard work.

 

Incidentally our rescue dog Jessop qualified as a PAT dog (Pets As Therapy) last year and now brings great joy to Alzheimer's sufferers in a local Care Home which also brings joy to him and to myself.

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13 hours ago, Keeping Up said:

Congratulations and well done to you and to him. I'm sure you will both reap the benefits of this hard work.

 

Incidentally our rescue dog Jessop qualified as a PAT dog (Pets As Therapy) last year and now brings great joy to Alzheimer's sufferers in a local Care Home which also brings joy to him and to myself.

 

Thanks.

 

Well done Jessup.

 

Zeus is a PAT dog when it comes to food - Pinches and Thieves ?

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