A Wee one to start again.

[Naughty Cal]

Just a thought. Instead of glassing over the whole lot why don't you use an epoxy filler on the pin holey bits and then repair the areas that need it?

Might be quicker and easier but still give a decent repair.

Give it some epoxy primer after that and you will have a hull you don't have to worry about for a long time.

[cuthound]

13 hours ago, WotEver said:

I had a cousin who completely rebuilt a Sunbeam Alpine. To make the floor pan repairs simpler he put a load of tyres and blankets on the floor down one side of his garage and rolled the car onto its side. He then spent many happy hours metal bashing (no original panels available) and welding them in. All in reasonable comfort. Then rolled it back again. 

Back in the day I used to do repairs on my rallying Mini Cooper S in a similar manner.  The service van carried an old mattress and we used to roll it gently onto that,  repair it and roll it back onto its wheels.

[W+T]

19 hours ago, system 4-50 said:

Can you stand it on end (the blunt end)? Would that give any benefit?

 

Errr maybe.

 

8 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

Just a thought. Instead of glassing over the whole lot why don't you use an epoxy filler on the pin holey bits and then repair the areas that need it?

Might be quicker and easier but still give a decent repair.

Give it some epoxy primer after that and you will have a hull you don't have to worry about for a long time.

 

Hi Rach, not 100% on what will be done yet until i finish sandblasting the hull, the hull is a lot worse at the minute than it look like in the pics, seriously. 

 

The jig is just a idea if need be, or if i just want to build a jig for it lol.

 

 

 

8 hours ago, cuthound said:

Back in the day I used to do repairs on my rallying Mini Cooper S in a similar manner.  The service van carried an old mattress and we used to roll it gently onto that,  repair it and roll it back onto its wheels.

 

If i had more room it would be a choice but not where it is. Dont want any damage ( more ). The COG will be tricky to to get it back upright.  

 

 

Watch this space for more updates on what happens

[W+T]

As always my plans dont go so i got on with what was needed to be done.

I wanted to finish the blasting of the hull but as i had no sieve/filter for the media to reuse then that was not done, no big deal as there is plenty of time yet.

So jobs done


When i was wondering around the boat debating what to do next i noticed a few crazed areas so that was first to be done, and a good chance to try ut the new DA i got for the compressor/s. I only wish i get one sooner, what a great bit of kit. There wasnt a great deal to do but still i wanted them done as they show up a lot on white. 


Then finished all the gas works and plumbing, i say finished i need a tail connector the connect the cooker to the pipe and a cylinder and reg with hose to try it all out. 

To make things safer and easier for the BSS i made the pipe work from the splitter to the appliances in one run so then there will be less chance of leaks and beside that you can not have joints in the same area as the electrics. and the pipe for the water and cab heater run in the same bilge area as the batteries.
 

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Ok my pics on postimage hosting dont seen to want to work so that will have to come later.

Still all is done there and along with the rest of the connection for the water to the water heater, this means i can now get on with the internal Sapele cladding of the cupboard and seating base. 

Just to think soon i can line it all out with the material of choice which i have decided on foam backed Suede as in this type a a quick look. 

I will be shopping around again as i found some at a better price but as always you get what you pay for.

https://www.iwantfabric.com/3mm-scri...ry-fabric.html


I got on with a bit more exterior work for the last hour or so.

What is needed is an engine well cover to be made so back at it again and designing and making one from foam board and GRP.
 

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Not quite got it done as a bit tired and glue was setting so had a quick clean up Just needs a cutting back here and there and then laminating.

I will be hinged to the side and used when closed as a table. 


I will crack on with it during the week as next weekend if it is dry i will finish the blasting off and see whats what on the hull.

Bring on next year i say

 

[RLWP]

Starting to look more like a proper boat now!

I wonder if you remember this:

You have come a very long way

Richard

[W+T]

14 minutes ago, RLWP said:

Starting to look more like a proper boat now!

I wonder if you remember this:

You have come a very long way

Richard

 

 

Near two years ago that was Richard, by eck it doesnt feel like it. 

 

And to think i was sober and not on drugs when i viewed it and paid for it lol.

 

Bloody scary now i look at it back then again. 

[Naughty Cal]

We met someone yesterday who has a bigger project on then yours 

A small yacht that has been sunk on a drainage ditch for six months. It was disgusting!

[W+T]

8 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

We met someone yesterday who has a bigger project on then yours 

A small yacht that has been sunk on a drainage ditch for six months. It was disgusting!

 

If its GRP then a good pressure wash down, if its wood well even i would not touch it, i think anyway lol.

I fancy a wooden boat still.

This has been my limit for what my projects need doing, it has caused some stress i can tell you, but then if it was easy it would be a much of a joy when finished. 

[W+T]

Now then Deeeep Breath 


This weekend I finished the sand blasting of below the water line. One thing is it is good that I always expect the worst as this is not such bad news.....honest lol.

This is the set up I used.

I didnt use Soda as it is very expensive and goes know where so I used with full PPA Kiln dried sand. I say full PPA as besides full overalls as we know sand gets in every orifice there is. An old welding mask with just the clear lens and a piece of leather stuck over the back. Along with a few decent dust masks and not the cheap pound shop type so I could at least breath.

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The compressors give together around 23CFM, well thats what they state but they dont give full capacity.
I piped them both together with 10mm air line to 8mm then to the reg/filter which was set to 90psi on the Blast tank.

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I used 4 bags of 25kg sand and had to filter them 3 times with a large sieve, a bit big hole size wise but it worked well and got no blockages.

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All ready to blast

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The back end is not to good either and after a poke around from bow to mid point ( back end of the keel ) I stopped as the marking pencil ran out going around he bad areas to be fixed lol.

Lots of osmosis, many many small areas that the gel coat has cracked and opened up will poking around and chipping off.. Old bad repairs to be redone and some ore larger cavities to be filled and made good.

You mite be able to make out some of the areas i marked out to be done.


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When i finished there I got on with the engine cover, i made a mistake with the mould i was making from foam as i ddint leave enough room for the engine when tilited back.

easy enough to glue a few more sections together.

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Sanded to shape ready for four laminations of 650grm combo matt.

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Once again as always I used plenty of PVA Blue release to and covered all other areas to save on a difficult clean up. 



Bear with for the finished product 

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Good and bad but T has dragged me away from the boat  for a week in a few weeks time on a family holiday, get a bit of fishing done and relax though 



I was tempted to come back if it is going to be nice weather to do a bit on the hull for a day or so as not going to far away. 

I got ` The look` from T when i mentioned that lol.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2017 by W+T

[Ray T]

Hats off to you for your tenacity and resorcefulness.

[W+T]

34 minutes ago, Ray T said:

Hats off to you for your tenacity and resorcefulness.

Cant give in now, its only a few holes and cracks 

 

Good job I have a little patience.

 

Just shown T the pics as she hasnt seen the work needed until now, i kept it quite from her until I new myself. 

 

She just said `oh my god` and that can be fixed. lol

[the barnacle]

Your doing a cracking job keep at it and keep up the quality work,  

[W+T]

On 7/14/2017 at 15:36, the barnacle said:

Your doing a cracking job keep at it and keep up the quality work,  

 

Thanks kida, I need motivation now Steve.

 

Not to motivated this weekend myself, dont know why just not with it for some reason so little done.

I got on with the engine cover a little but no pics sorry. Just trimmed back and sanded back a little and shaped it.

I know, more hull pics but to share my trauma with you all. 

Be rude not to know lol.

I had a poke and scrape around to see what is what and what needs doing. 

It defo needs a re laminate/sheath over, the cavities are scary, I am sure it is not water ingress but when it was made it was done by an apprentice I am sure as I have never seen a boat as bad as this from osmosis or anything else water related damage.

I tapped around here and there and scraped back to find all these cavities. A lot started as small crack but a lot there was nothing to be seen at first but a hollow sound to show up the cavity.

These pics are from the first third of the port side from the bow and an 1/2 inch / 12mm chisel
 

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a little high end osmosis along with a nice gig cavity
 

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This started as a small <10mm crack
 

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similar to this how they started
 

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This tends to a lot along the lower chines, a good few mm deep i would say.

 

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Top chine edge where I easily removed the old repair, it just peeled away with ease.A ggo 2m in total along the whole chine.
 

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This was a repair to the keel. 
 

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You think this could be why i am a little disheartened lol.


Now the plan is..............to fix the bloody thing.


It is not going to come cheap to repair but hye ho silver lining and all that.


The cavities will be filled with Poly filler a si dont see the point in using epoxy when i NEED to re laminate the hull. And it will be done with 450grm Biaxial matt and West system Epoxy.

Fill hole and make good. apply epoxy resin and Laminate then a good one more coat of epoxy resin and Squeegees out then apply peel ply which will not be easy as the hull has a few curves and edges which will make it difficult to keep flat as peel ply does not flow like CSM. 

Just means more sanding to be done.


I will be doing this in sections a sand when as with the weather and time it will not be easy in one job with out being in a work shop.

One other thing i was going to roll the boat some how as we know, now it will be done as in situ.





I have to admit, i laid there for a few minutes after i finished poking around and thinking is it worth it now. I have had these thoughts in the past when i was a little tired and other things on my mind but this time i was serious and if i had done the hull check over from the start i would not of carried on a cut it up i think.
 

[Naughty Cal]

Nothing you can't repair there. 

[W+T]

Yes i know but bloody nora. i need to float i am land sick now. not been on the water for .......

[Mendip-Locks]

Chin up Wal, nowt for a technician such as yourself to sort. All in your stride on a new day in another light.

keep at it cheers Ade

[cuthound]

You can't give up now Wol! The end is in sight.

You have done a fantastic job so far, and with one final push the hull will be sound as as bell. Go for it. 

[cereal tiller]

17 hours ago, W+T said:

Yes i know but bloody nora. i need to float i am land sick now. not been on the water for .......

Overlayed/Sheathed a 35 Foot Boat some years ago,it had similar problems.

Feathered out all the big holes and blanked them off with waxed Formica on the inside,laid them up with new CSM after Acetone Washing them immediately before applying the first coat of Resin.Laid up till level then entire Hull below Waterline had 6 ounces of CSM in 3  2 ounce Layers

This work was carried out with the Boat laid over at 45 Degrees,the first side was allowed to cure for 24 hours prior to flipping it over to do the remaining side

CT

Edited July 17, 2017 by cereal tiller

[RLWP]

17 hours ago, W+T said:

Yes i know but bloody nora. i need to float i am land sick now. not been on the water for .......

It's your own fault for digging holes in the hull

Richard

[W+T]

3 hours ago, cereal tiller said:

Overlayed/Sheathed a 35 Foot Boat some years ago,it had similar problems.

Feathered out all the big holes and blanked them off with waxed Formica on the inside,laid them up with new CSM after Acetone Washing them immediately before applying the first coat of Resin.Laid up till level then entire Hull below Waterline had 6 ounces of CSM in 3  2 ounce Layers

This work was carried out with the Boat laid over at 45 Degrees,the first side was allowed to cure for 24 hours prior to flipping it over to do the remaining side

CT

That is the plan, The holes do not go all the way through though which is good. 

I would just rather turn the boat though if i can see diagram of a design i have come up with below.

 

3 hours ago, RLWP said:

It's your own fault for digging holes in the hull

Richard

 

If i didnt something else mite of, a shopping trolley or car in the cut lol.

 

No point it bodging along with it< in a way i am glad i have found the damage now than later.

 

I am keen to crack on but i will be having a while off from the boat if i can, we are away for a week next week so thats a start.

 

Well not altogether as it has become my life so things will be going on in my had and paper like this idea for a roll jig.

 

 

 I feel sure it will do the job if i can get it bottom heavy reason being it will not run all the way over to heavy when i get it close to 90 degress or just past 45 degrees, and then locked in place with the tabs on the disc to prevent it from going far over and handbrake on the drum. then chocked under the keel.

 

Only thing i can think that may not be good is the Bow mount point will be plates of 400mmx 300mm bolted either side into the bow locker then from the plate a tube welded to another plate which is bolted to another brake drum.

 

Still i will crack on

 

And thanks fro the encouragement guys  I tend not to give up to easy on projects;)  

[Naughty Cal]

On 16/07/2017 at 20:03, W+T said:

Yes i know but bloody nora. i need to float i am land sick now. not been on the water for .......

You know you are always welcome to come and get a floating boat fix with us one weekend.

[W+T]

1 hour ago, Naughty Cal said:

You know you are always welcome to come and get a floating boat fix with us one weekend.

Your a good un Rach, ill be up norf in a few hours  lol

Hope your having a good one. well its better than working no matter what hey. Ill catch up soon

 

While we are on not boating for a while, as some may know i used to get very sea sick/ motion sickness, still do in cars but i used to on the bloomin canal when i was younger lol.

I have been told that it can start up again, as in sea sickness if you dont get afloat often enough, i will soon see if that is true i guess.

 

Hope to god not  took me ages to get used to it. 

[rusty69]

1 minute ago, W+T said:

While we are on not boating for a while, as some may know i used to get very sea sick/ motion sickness, still do in cars but i used to on the bloomin canal when i was younger lol.

 

Cure for sea sickness............... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go Sit under tree. 

[W+T]

13 minutes ago, rusty69 said:

Cure for sea sickness............... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go Sit under tree. 

Now thats a new one to me.

 

best i found was pop a Kwell or two.

 

 

[Naughty Cal]

11 hours ago, W+T said:

Now thats a new one to me.

 

best i found was pop a Kwell or two.

 

 

Ginger biscuits.