Telephone Call with CRT Enforcement

[David Mack]

Including design, sourcing and supply of out of production parts.

 

So why is he having such difficulty getting the parts for his engine?

[Jeanie920]

<b>isnt it possible for the guy to remove/delete the video if he has a YouTube account?

I'd also think by now he should possibly have realised that discussing your personal issues on Facebook, is a BAD move....</b>

It was Nick Brown who put it on Facebook. He seemed to think that this was a good example of how you should deal with CRT

[gazza]

 

Its obvious to you and to me but ..................oh no here we go again..........

 

Tim

:-)

Its getting a bit tiresome isn't it?

 

My old man lived on his boat for years at oulton broad, usual set up as per park homes, not residential but 'heavy use' couldn't be there 365 days a year,but hols in fenland and elsewhere on other boats along with frequently visiting us at weekends kept the management happy.

£1200 a year for moorings, water and unmetered electric, along with access to laundry and a gym made it outstanding value. Sadly not for much longer as TingDene have got it now.

 

My council tax bill is more than that!

 

Granted you would be hard pushed to get a deal like that elsewhere, but the principle remains, my monthly housing costs are eye watering compared to some marina costs, when you go down the road of p!ss taking(sorry, cm'ing cc'ing whatever) and expecting to stay in one area without paying a bean, its no wonder some of us get a bit spikey!

[MtB]

So why is he having such difficulty getting the parts for his engine?

 

Because it's his 'reason' for CMing six months, and still counting, silly!

 

 

 

.

Edited April 13, 2015 by Mike the Boilerman

[andywatson]

So why is he having such difficulty getting the parts for his engine?

A very good question. I'm glad you asked me that....

 

Buggered if I know.

Especially after reading the page below.

http://www.volksbolts.com/about.htm

Edited April 13, 2015 by andywatson

[MtB]

I wonder if Mr Garner reads this forum...

[bassplayer]

In which case, the CC who finds themselves in one or more of the above predicament should take on a proper mooring in the area they wish to live in, or am i missing something blindingly obvious?

The point I'm trying to make is that nearly everyone has a commitment of some kind or other.

 

I balance my love of travelling around the system with seeing my 95 year old mother every 2 weeks and a gig most weekends. Last year that involved a 2 way 3.5 hour journey from Yorkshire back to the Beds area at weekends.

 

The problem is that some of you are jealous of the CC'ing lifestyle and like many in this world you just can't handle others being happy.

 

I've never had a problem with CM'ers either. They are just trying to get on with life with the backdrop of sad individuals too...

[clbrof]

If you CC, why do you need the leisure alternator to be working? What does it matter if you are in the dark at point A or point B? Get some candles? Somehow manage?

[gazza]

The point I'm trying to make is that nearly everyone has a commitment of some kind or other.

 

I balance my love of travelling around the system with seeing my 95 year old mother every 2 weeks and a gig most weekends. Last year that involved a 2 way 3.5 hour journey from Yorkshire back to the Beds area at weekends.

 

The problem is that some of you are jealous of the CC'ing lifestyle and like many in this world you just can't handle others being happy.

 

I've never had a problem with CM'ers either. They are just trying to get on with life with the backdrop of sad individuals too...

Nope,

 

Jealousy doesn't come into. You are trying to square the impossible.

 

If your commitments prevent you from genuinely cc'ing you are bound by your licence terms to have a home mooring.

 

Not difficult is it? Sadly, there are many that come up with vaugue and spurious reasons for not abiding by the licence terms they have agreed to.

 

The guy in this case scored a massive home goal with his YouTube video. Its clear he's a piss taking git.

Non of the excuses given are good enough to justify him staying put for 6 months plus.

 

As for those trying to get by, sorry, hard work and endeavour is better way of improving your lot than sitting about expecting society to pick up the tab, again, sadly, there are many who choose the path of least resistance meaning the rest of us have to pay in the long run.

 

Gaz,a socialist - but most certainly not a bleeding heart liberal ;-)

Edited April 13, 2015 by gazza

[NigelMoore]

When I was taught about RIPA, it was by a barrister and recorder judge who specialises in that area. He made it very clear that you can't record phone calls and make them public without informing them first, unless it's in the public interest.

 

As you have been taught about RIPA, can’t you point out the relevant section for me? Otherwise it’s just a case of hearsay citing another’s opinion.

 

This is a genuine query; I am not seeking to score points, merely to discover the basis of the assertions.

 

The public interest test in RIPA [so far as I can see] has to do with third party interceptions of conversations to which you as the recorder are not a party.

 

Publication in such cases may be made with the consent of both parties, else, under official authorisation [although the question of the interception itself would need to be scrutinised, I imagine official authorisation would have to precede the recording in such a case].

 

Particularly in cases where a body with powers over the public initiate phone calls to a member of the public, there appears to be no prohibition against recording and making that conversation public if the recipient of/party to that conversation is the one recording and publicising it.

[frangar]

Nope,

Jealousy doesn't come into. You are trying to square the impossible.

If your commitments prevent you from genuinely cc'ing you are bound by your licence terms to have a home mooring.

Not difficult is it? Sadly, there are many that come up with vaugue and spurious reasons for not abiding by the licence terms they have agreed to.

The guy in this case scored a massive home goal with his YouTube video. Its clear he's a piss taking git.

Non of the excuses given are good enough to justify him staying put for 6 months plus.

As for those trying to get by, sorry, hard work and endeavour is better way of improving your lot than sitting about expecting society to pick up the tab, again, sadly, there are many who choose the path of least resistance meaning the rest of us have to pay in the long run.

Gaz,a socialist - but most certainly not a bleeding heart liberal ;-)

Dam out of green things....well said!

 

Cheers

 

Gareth

[mrsmelly]

Nope,

 

Jealousy doesn't come into. You are trying to square the impossible.

 

If your commitments prevent you from genuinely cc'ing you are bound by your licence terms to have a home mooring.

 

Not difficult is it? Sadly, there are many that come up with vaugue and spurious reasons for not abiding by the licence terms they have agreed to.

 

The guy in this case scored a massive home goal with his YouTube video. Its clear he's a piss taking git.

Non of the excuses given are good enough to justify him staying put for 6 months plus.

 

As for those trying to get by, sorry, hard work and endeavour is better way of improving your lot than sitting about expecting society to pick up the tab, again, sadly, there are many who choose the path of least resistance meaning the rest of us have to pay in the long run.

 

Gaz,a socialist - but most certainly not a bleeding heart liberal ;-)

 

Greenie.........from a ccer.

 

Tim

[Phil Ambrose]

The point I'm trying to make is that nearly everyone has a commitment of some kind or other.

 

I balance my love of travelling around the system with seeing my 95 year old mother every 2 weeks and a gig most weekends. Last year that involved a 2 way 3.5 hour journey from Yorkshire back to the Beds area at weekends.

 

The problem is that some of you are jealous of the CC'ing lifestyle and like many in this world you just can't handle others being happy.

 

I've never had a problem with CM'ers either. They are just trying to get on with life with the backdrop of sad individuals too...

I don't think any of those posting on this thread are jealous of CC lifestyle nor are they adverse to others being happy but what is obvious is that apart from a minority most CWDF members object to piss takers, it's as simple as that.

You must also remember that among those posting are a number of CCers, so maybe your comments are misjudged.

Phil

[MtB]

Well said Mr Phil.

[cotswoldsman]

If you CC, why do you need the leisure alternator to be working? What does it matter if you are in the dark at point A or point B? Get some candles? Somehow manage?

I can't believe you said that amazing

[gazza]

Dam out of green things....well said!

Cheers

Gareth

Greenie.........from a ccer.

 

Tim

I don't think any of those posting on this thread are jealous of CC lifestyle nor are they adverse to others being happy but what is obvious is that apart from a minority most CWDF members object to piss takers, it's as simple as that.

You must also remember that among those posting are a number of CCers, so maybe your comments are misjudged.

Phil

Well said Mr Phil.

Cheers chaps!

 

Can't sus out where the gaps in the quotes are on my phone!

 

Yet again, Phil hits the nail squarely on the head, and I agree with Mike, well said!

[Geoff Taylor]

I do not know why the You Tube clip shows a Grand Union lock flight when the conversation implied that the guy was literally at Boot Wharf Nuneaton hence the 5 min walk to the (George Eliot) hospital just up the road for his partner. (I know this stretch as my Brother in law moors his boat at the wharf).

The guys at Boot Wharf would easily be able to fix any type of repairs that are needed and tow him in.

The C&RT should adopt a strategy for dealing with these problems by initially upon the first "alert " by one of its towpath officials of possible non conformance of CCing by sending out someone from their own maintenance team to have a look at and report on what they find is wrong and therefore have an accurate idea as to weather the boater is bona fide stuck or just playing for time and then act upon appropriately saving the embarrassment of months of delays in acting/chasing up.

To be strung along with mechanical problems for nearly 6 months is a bit of a liberty taker and it tars many genuine CCers with the same brush in the eyes of some.

[bassplayer]

Nope,

 

Jealousy doesn't come into. You are trying to square the impossible.

 

If your commitments prevent you from genuinely cc'ing you are bound by your licence terms to have a home mooring.

 

Not difficult is it? Sadly, there are many that come up with vaugue and spurious reasons for not abiding by the licence terms they have agreed to.

 

The guy in this case scored a massive home goal with his YouTube video. Its clear he's a piss taking git.

Non of the excuses given are good enough to justify him staying put for 6 months plus.

 

As for those trying to get by, sorry, hard work and endeavour is better way of improving your lot than sitting about expecting society to pick up the tab, again, sadly, there are many who choose the path of least resistance meaning the rest of us have to pay in the long run.

 

Gaz,a socialist - but most certainly not a bleeding heart liberal ;-)

Well I dont expect many to agree with me here. After all the boating demographic of this forum will be similar to real life except for those who don't have a boat or are trolls.

 

So live aboard CC'ers probably account for less than 5% of those here (likely less than that). The funny thing is that I've never met anyone on the cut who is prepared to express the negative feelings about CC'ers or CM'ers face to face.

 

I'm happy to discuss it over a pint!

Edited April 13, 2015 by bassplayer

[mayalld]

Just read what was said about the case on NUG, some of which was well over the top.

 

The post there that really struck me was;

 

Alan Baxter Why didn't you buy a winter mooring? You say you have a job - would not £400, which seems to me a bargain, to legitimise your stay, have given you a stress free time to sort your issues?

 

Trouble is, you've started an internet battle against a geezer who 1. cannot reply in kind and 2. is known to have been truly threatening and acted illegally to other people. Your actions have had what is probablly the exact opposite of your intention. They support an enforcement officer who until now was deeply unpopular and under scrutiny.

 

The big joke is that, in this telephone conversation, he is pretty passive and it's you who comes across as aggressive.

 

 

The author? Chris Pink, late of this Parish

[gazza]

Well I dont expect many to agree with me here. After all the boating demographic of this forum will be similar to real life except for those who don't have a boat or are trolls.

 

So live aboard CC'ers probably account for less than 5% of those here (likely less than that). The funny thing is that I've never met anyone on the cut who is prepared to express the negative feelings about CC'ers or CM'ers face to face.

 

I'm happy to discuss it over a pint!

:-)

 

That's the point if a discussion forum though!

 

It was a hot topic at our club and many others along with the few official marinas and moorings along the river when BW enforcement flushed a load of piss taking wazzocks onto our river a few years ago, some ended up on the outskirts of Peterborough and some on the levels, the EA took an eternity to do anything about it, but thankfully they did in the end.

 

The Nene was seen as a soft touch with no enforcement. Imagine paying £100's (£1000's for some) for your licence and mooring only for some piss taking tits to pitch up paying and contributing sod all.

 

Not exactly a recipe for harmonious relations is it?

[frangar]

. The funny thing is that I've never met anyone on the cut who is prepared to express the negative feelings about CC'ers or CM'ers face to face.

I'm happy to discuss it over a pint!

Well I don't think you've met many people then....perhaps apart from CC'ers and CM'ers!!!!

 

I'm afraid my views in real life are just the same as on here and I'm not afraid to voice them.

 

Cheers

 

Gareth

[gazza]

Just read what was said about the case on NUG, some of which was well over the top.

 

The post there that really struck me was;

 

 

The author? Chris Pink, late of this Parish

Hi Dave,

 

Can I ask what NUG is? Could you post a link please.

 

Ta.

[RLWP]

National Union for Journalists who can't spell.

 

Richard

 

B.H. Calcutta (failed)

Edited April 13, 2015 by RLWP

[Dave_P]

 

As you have been taught about RIPA, cant you point out the relevant section for me? Otherwise its just a case of hearsay citing anothers opinion.

 

This is a genuine query; I am not seeking to score points, merely to discover the basis of the assertions.

 

The public interest test in RIPA [so far as I can see] has to do with third party interceptions of conversations to which you as the recorder are not a party.

 

Publication in such cases may be made with the consent of both parties, else, under official authorisation [although the question of the interception itself would need to be scrutinised, I imagine official authorisation would have to precede the recording in such a case].

 

Particularly in cases where a body with powers over the public initiate phone calls to a member of the public, there appears to be no prohibition against recording and making that conversation public if the recipient of/party to that conversation is the one recording and publicising it.

If I still have the paperwork it will be buried very deep. Sorry. As I said, if you're concerned, get some proper legal advice. I know what I've been told and I believe it because it came from a good source.

[frangar]

Hi Dave,

Can I ask what NUG is? Could you post a link please.

Ta.

 

It's a Facebook group "Narrowboat Users Group"

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/narrowboatusers/?ref=browser

 

Scroll down a bit to read.....you might need to become a member of the group....if you do ask and I will join you....think I can do that....unless it's admin only.

 

Cheers

 

Gareth

Edited April 13, 2015 by frangar