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Tried starting engine today....starter made a horrible grind noise, clunking, no start.

Then a real bad burning smell. Investigated and the 2 inch cable from Solenoid to starter is frazzled!!! Been told the starter is buggered.

Can someone point me in the direction of a new one, can I goto a auto factors or specialist?

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Would that make a difference to the recon?

 

RLWP is it worth replacing the wire that got frazzled and giving it a whack?

Or is the clunk and the wire shorting a ding the starter has passed being hit hard?

I'd like to understand what has happened

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Last time I had a starter drawing massive currents, the windings had shorted to the case

 

It was amazing watching the two battery cables twitch when I operated the solenoid

 

Time for a rebuild, which is likely to be similar in price to that EBay motor

 

I couldn't find a reconditioners in Oxford using Google

 

Richard

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Would that make a difference to the recon?

 

RLWP is it worth replacing the wire that got frazzled and giving it a whack?

Or is the clunk and the wire shorting a ding the starter has passed being hit hard?

I'd like to understand what has happened

 

 

I'd be inclined to try replacing the frazzled wire. Its failure could also give the symptoms you describe so there is little to lose.

 

If the windings have shorted to earth a new link wire will fail in the same way (acting rather like a fuse). If a new wire doesn't fail then you're up on the deal.

 

MtB

 

 

 

 

(Spilling edit)

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Meaning,Bee?

 

Meaning, make sure your engine isn't stuck - Bee is suggesting that an overload has blown the cable

 

Put a spanner on the nut on the end of the crankshaft and make sure it turns. Alternatively, lever the engine around with the teeth on the flywheel through the starter motor mounting

 

Richard

 

 

I'd be inclined to try replacing the frazzled wire. Its failure could also give the symptoms you describe so there is little to lose.

 

Can you easily replace that wire? ISTR it disappears into the motor

 

Having seen cables leap a few inches on a shorted starter, I do wonder what it is doing to the batteries

 

Richard

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So, I looked up the starter model in the BMC manual, and it is an M45G, apparently

 

This is an M45G: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LUCAS-M45G-26054A-12v-STARTER-MOTOR-FREE-UK-POSTAGE-NR-/221691927846?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339dde5d26

 

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I don't think I've ever seen a starter with a manual switch before

 

Richard

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The existing one looks more like the other one on ebay...

Hmmmm make sure engine is turning, now it doesn't sound like a job for me :/! Why would the engine not be turning

And what if it isn't, not quite a simple swap them?

 

 

I think Bee was implying that if in the unlikely event the engine is seized, the starter motor will stall and might draw excess current and burn out that link wire.

 

Best to make sure it is not seized prior to trying out any repaired starter motor or the same might happen again. Do this by turning the crank using a spanner on the pulley nut. Just make sure it can move.

 

 

MtB

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Yes, and just try turning the engine.

 

The most likely thing is a failed starter. To cover the one in a thousand chance, make sure the engine is free

 

Richard

 

 

Exactly. It's highly unlikely to be seized but the consequences could potentially be an expensive second dead starter motor. It's so dead easy to check, why on earth not check?

 

 

Be surprised if it was seized, oil is absolutely brand new, engine ran sweet only three days ago...

Could it be something else

 

New oil is a bad sign. It might have all drained out again via a loose sump drain plug dropping out after a few hours of running. A well known disaster after an oil change!

 

Yes it could be something else. Probably is something else. Up to you though.

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New oil is a bad sign. It might have all drained out again via a loose sump drain plug dropping out after a few hours of running. A well known disaster after an oil change!

 

Yes, very common on boats - draining with a sump plug ???

 

Richard

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Ok, so where do I put a spanner, I haven't a clue. I'm assuming it is one of the wheels with the belt in at the end.

Oil is fine, checked the dip stick as a matter of routine whilst I was investigating the starter.

I want to check Mike, just not sure how...

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