Why would you get a survey on a totally refurbed boat?

[MtB]

This Morris Traveler...

 

Does it have whitewall tyres?

 

 

MtB

[Rickent]

This Morris Traveler...

 

Does it have whitewall tyres?

 

 

MtB

 

 

 

 

This morris traveller is now starting to sound very appealing , how long is the mot on it?

[MtB]

No MoT, but I assure you it will pass.

 

That's why I don't want you to take it for one before you buy it.

 

You're only allowed to come and look at it in the dark, too, but I assure you it's been restored to the highest standards.

 

[Rickent]

Sounds s bargain.

When can I pick it up Mr Daley.

Or shall I just call you Arthur.

Edited January 13, 2015 by Rickent

[Timleech]

 

The 'Traveler' version, or just an ordinary saloon?

 

 

MtB

 

I thought that was going to lead to a pump out vs cassette debate...

[MtB]

Any time you like after your cheque has cleared. Then the world will be your lobster, Terry.

[ditchcrawler]

This morris traveller is now starting to sound very appealing , how long is the mot on it?

It hasn't got one but I am sure it will pass OK, just give me the money

No MoT, but I assure you it will pass.

 

That's why I don't want you to take it for one before you buy it.

 

You're only allowed to come and look at it in the dark, too, but I assure you it's been restored to the highest standards.

 

Are there 2 for sale?

[Rickent]

Any time you like after your cheque has cleared. Then the world will be your lobster, Terry.

 

 

 

No cheques from me Arthur, you sound like a person I can trust so cash it is and I'm sure she'll fly through the mot.

 

 

 

cue Arthur pocketing the cash , never to br seen again.

[zenataomm]

I guess its just I and my friend know there is 100% nothing wrong with that boat ..........

 

Is that a fact?

[Québec]

Indeed.

 

A better analogy would be buying say an ancientTriumph Spitfire that had it's rotting chassis welded up by some bloke then plastered with underseal, and having the seller claim it was as good as a new one!

 

MtB

Aah....always wondered who bought my old (rotted) Spitfire!

[Rickent]

Aah....always wondered who bought my old (rotted) Spitfire!

 

 

must've been me. The one I had was rotten as a pear.

[MtB]

I had several. I got to be a dab hand at welding up the outriggers on them to MOT standard.

 

(Provided I picked the MOT garage carefully enough )

 

 

MtB

[smileypete]

Like i said it makes zero sense to me so im asking for a friend.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Always good to get a second opinion if spending a load of ££££, if a more professional/qualified/experienced one, all the better.

 

cheers, Pete.

~smpt~

Edited January 13, 2015 by smileypete

[Arthur Brown]

I remember an acquaintance "welding" the new suspension top into an old Ford Escort with filler and an icing pump, sprayed to match and it passed MOT.

 

If you are a trained/qualified/experienced marine surveyor then perhaps doing your own survey is exactly right, but for most newcomers getting a professional opinion is very good value, -maybe even essential for insurance which is essential for CRT Licence.

[Machpoint005]

My angle would be that a £500 survey is a good bet against wasting 30 to 50 times more money.

[MtB]

 

So the big question here is, after all the work that has been done to it, with proof, why would someone get a survey done? is it just for peace of mind or are we missing something?

 

So now you have it. The buyer wants independent confirmation that the work your mate says has been done perfectly, has indeed been done perfectly, before they hand over an absolute ton of money.

 

Does this make sense to you now?

 

MtB

[harw1n]

Makes sense to me, although a survey isnt fool proof the surveyor should spot any major problems with the hull. My surveyor didnt spot an expertly concealed dent in the roof though, just like any second hand market buyer beware!!

[Alan de Enfield]

Makes sense to me, although a survey isnt fool proof the surveyor should spot any major problems with the hull. My surveyor didnt spot an expertly concealed dent in the roof though, just like any second hand market buyer beware!!

 

I concur - a surveyor I had many years ago did not spot over £20,000 of work that needed doing to make the boat 'usable'.

Absolutely no come-back - took legal advice - the small print said 'no comeback'

[Rickent]

So basically then damned if you do damned if you dont, all cos of that little bit of small print.

[the barnacle]

would they have to damage the epoxy resin finish on the hull to so a survey/

[Alan de Enfield]

withdrawn

Edited January 14, 2015 by Alan de Enfield

[Machpoint005]

 

I concur - a surveyor I had many years ago did not spot over £20,000 of work that needed doing to make the boat 'usable'.

Absolutely no come-back - took legal advice - the small print said 'no comeback'

 

And the other side of that same coin is that he does spot something that nobody else knew about!

[Alan de Enfield]

 

And the other side of that same coin is that he does spot something that nobody else knew about!

 

Indeed - you 'pays your money and makes your choice'

 

Mind you - by not using a surveyor for the last (maybe) 10 boats, I've saved enough to corect most problems, but so far I've not needed to. Common sense goes a long way to reducing the risk

[Sea Dog]

So basically then damned if you do damned if you dont, all cos of that little bit of small print.

 

Well, maybe, but....

 

There are a lot of unscrupulous folk who will get a known duff boat surveyed 'til they get a 'pass' and then sue the surveyor to either get the fault he missed paid for or to screw him for some compensation money. Most often, it's not in the surveyors financial interest to fight in court, so he rolls over and either takes the hit himself or his insurance does. Insurance gets dearer the more surveys ne does, and ne can't even pack in without paying for insurance cover until all those surveys become 'time expired'. Small print may mitigate, but it isn't bomb proof.

 

Easy to get caught out too - we don't want our linings ripped out, floor lifted, blacking/epoxy ruined, etc, and some faults are intermittent, well hidden or expertly disguised. There are Good, Bad and Average surveys, no doubt, but turn up, nosey round a boat a bit and pocket circa £500 in pure profit with no risk it's not.

 

Still comes down to Caveat Emptor and risk management though, eh?

[matty40s]

 

Indeed - you 'pays your money and makes your choice'

 

Mind you - by not using a surveyor for the last (maybe) 10 boats, I've saved enough to corect most problems, but so far I've not needed to. Common sense goes a long way to reducing the risk

When I had Old Friends surveyed, the very reputable surveyor didn't test the hull thickness. He took the previous survey from a very reputable surveyor, and inspected the Comastic hull coating for damage and new corrosion.There was none. He said that if he stripped areas of the hull back, it would need recoating within 12 months and as the coating was pretty much perfect, he would rather leave it.

I didn't know enough about what I should and shouldn't have asked to be done at the time.

 

8 years later, I docked Old Friends and inspected myself, Comastic still doing very well even though I have given it some stick.

New coating on.

(I did this in July, there was NO damage with the ice breaking at New Year).