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I may have already made a cock of this, so I need a little help. We had a small leakage on one of our windows this winter, the outside has been sealed I`m hoping, but what am I to do with inside as it left us with a large black mess. A good neighbour suggested wood bleach but as that did make a small impression it wasn`t going to take it all away so I took to sanding it down, nearly taking the laminate off , yikes,

 

what should ( if there is anything ) can I do now

 

 

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In my experience, theres not a lot you can do. There is a chemical in oak i think, which reacts with water causing the blackening and it cant really be gotten rid of. We had that issue on our original front doors and side hatch doors - the slightest bit of damp or wet and the wood goes black. We replaced all areas like that (which are prone to get wet) with sapele and if i had a new boat fitted out, i would chose ash for the cabin walls and bulkheads as oak is just a pain in the a$$!

 

Think your best bet, despite the effort, would be to replace the panel. Alternatively, you could do what we did last year and paint the cabin walls. It really brightens it up, although, saying that, it looks in the picture above like the beading at the bottom of the wall is also stained? That wouldnt look too good painted!

 

 

Im sure theres things you could try (like you said you have done) but none of them will completely eradicate it - i guess it's down to whether you can put up with the imperfection and "get over it" and if not, replace it.

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I may have already made a cock of this, so I need a little help. We had a small leakage on one of our windows this winter, the outside has been sealed I`m hoping, but what am I to do with inside as it left us with a large black mess. A good neighbour suggested wood bleach but as that did make a small impression it wasn`t going to take it all away so I took to sanding it down, nearly taking the laminate off , yikes,

 

what should ( if there is anything ) can I do now

 

 

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All I can think of is to keep giving the darkest bits doses of bleach on a rag until it matches as long as its bare wood with no oil varnish on it of course.

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In my experience, theres not a lot you can do. There is a chemical in oak i think, which reacts with water causing the blackening and it cant really be gotten rid of. We had that issue on our original front doors and side hatch doors - the slightest bit of damp or wet and the wood goes black. We replaced all areas like that (which are prone to get wet) with sapele and if i had a new boat fitted out, i would chose ash for the cabin walls and bulkheads as oak is just a pain in the a$$!

 

Think your best bet, despite the effort, would be to replace the panel. Alternatively, you could do what we did last year and paint the cabin walls. It really brightens it up, although, saying that, it looks in the picture above like the beading at the bottom of the wall is also stained? That wouldnt look too good painted!

 

 

Im sure theres things you could try (like you said you have done) but none of them will completely eradicate it - i guess it's down to whether you can put up with the imperfection and "get over it" and if not, replace it.

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We've had similar happen in the past. Tried all sorts nothing works.

 

We ended up painting the upper cabin sides anyway and so glad we did as it really brightened the boat up.

 

It wouldn't have cost a fortune to replace a panel though but been a bit of work taking off all mouldings and replacing bearing in mind all the Oak trim was plugged & screwed, we hadn't applied any finishes at that time either, so a new panel would have matched in ok. So if you want to stick with oak then replacing the panel is your only option other than painting, if you've applied the finish and or know what it is then it should match in ok. If there's a finish applied you're not sure of and can't match well, then the replaced panel might stand out like a sore thumb.

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Yup..tricky one this..

Anywhere you have wood that stains like this...it is almost impossible to correct.

 

A bit like the old Morris Minor Traveller cars...

You must never let the water get into the ash frame and stain it..or it's there forever...

You have a combination of dark stain...and also the grain has been changed by the water....and will never reflect again and look right. Its a bit like where you respray parts of a metalic paint car..and the colour is right..but in light it looks wrong.

 

This will sound like a 'it gets worse' situation...

If you try and bleach it...it may look OK...but add varnish..or wax or oil..and the stain will show through again.

I only tell you this to save you wasting your time.

 

If you don't want to find that your 'eye is drawn to it'...and that's what happens to me !!...then you will have to replace the panel...or cover it.

 

The lower raised panel..looks more 'decorative....so is it not possible to glue a very very thin oak faced ply..OVER the top of the entire existing panel....again over the lower raised panel..and then add a small bit of trim strip at the top of that 'ramin' type trim to decorate the edge..?

In other words..cover the whole lot..without removing anything..?

Maybe..you can prise that 'remin style' trim strip off....reglue it over the new ply cover....and then match it in some way..?

 

That's what I would do..

 

Bob

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We ended up painting the upper cabin sides anyway and so glad we did as it really brightened the boat up.

 

Ah that's probably because you have those port holes!

 

Had you gone for proper "bus windows" you could still have a lovely hardwood finish, and oodles of light!

 

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If OP has sanded and only nearly taken the laminate off, I suspect his laminate is substantially thicker than somewhere where I tried this. I don't think I got much further than showing the wood a piece of very fine and paper before I was through to the non matching layer underneath, (and "yes" I replaced the panel!).

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Ah that's probably because you have those port holes!

 

Had you gone for proper "bus windows" you could still have a lovely hardwood finish, and oodles of light!

 

Coat please! laugh.png

 

 

 

yeah but the boat would look like a bus-on-the-water and not a proper-boat

 

 

 

eta: and you forgot to do the 'looks like penetration from the rear' joke

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Whilst the result of wood bleaching, carefully, and repeatedly, (I've used a very fine brush & cloth with oodles of patience - and got some quite respectable results), there is an alternative - - which is to overlay with a sheet of oak veneer, (it's only about 0.5mm thick) - though it really depends upon the shape of your whole panel - - and it needs some accurate cutting and careful gluing - - but it is do-able!

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Whilst the result of wood bleaching, carefully, and repeatedly, (I've used a very fine brush & cloth with oodles of patience - and got some quite respectable results), there is an alternative - - which is to overlay with a sheet of oak veneer, (it's only about 0.5mm thick) - though it really depends upon the shape of your whole panel - - and it needs some accurate cutting and careful gluing - - but it is do-able!

Where would you suggest I get such material

We've had similar happen in the past. Tried all sorts nothing works.

 

We ended up painting the upper cabin sides anyway and so glad we did as it really brightened the boat up.

 

It wouldn't have cost a fortune to replace a panel though but been a bit of work taking off all mouldings and replacing bearing in mind all the Oak trim was plugged & screwed, we hadn't applied any finishes at that time either, so a new panel would have matched in ok. So if you want to stick with oak then replacing the panel is your only option other than painting, if you've applied the finish and or know what it is then it should match in ok. If there's a finish applied you're not sure of and can't match well, then the replaced panel might stand out like a sore thumb.

Again where do you get these panels

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Where would you suggest I get such material

Again where do you get these panels

 

You can get Oak faced panels from many good timber suppliers.I don't know your location but I know several places you can but 8x4 sheets, usually £25 to £35 a sheet although I don't know current prices, you'll need to get the same cut, usually crown cut or quarter cut, post some photos and members will tell you what it is.

 

 

http://www.avonply.co.uk/

 

http://www.robbins.co.uk/

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LoneWolf, on 14 Apr 2014 - 11:10 PM, said:

 

yeah but the boat would look like a bus-on-the-water and not a proper-boat

 

 

 

eta: and you forgot to do the 'looks like penetration from the rear' joke

and of course the fact that Viagra helps to make good wood, joke as well

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Where would you suggest I get such material

Again where do you get these panels

 

I would suggest that you contact Robbins of Bristol who specialise in hardwoods and marine timbers. They used to stock several different types of oak panels, from the photo you posted, yours looks as if it is probably American White Oak.

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