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Andromeda

 

It's been listed before, but not for quite a while I think. I think this is about a £10K reduction over a previously advertised price.

 

We didn't view this one, based largely on what we were told by people who had.......

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I'm intrigued by a couple of non-traditional features on Clypeus: why is the "welly rail" split and what's the feature on the front engine room bulkhead that looks like an umbrella holder?

 

I reckon it's to hold a washing line or something, much like the tube fitted to the top of the cabin holding the TV aerial!

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Oooh, Clypeus looks interesting. I might give them a ring. Am hopefully going to view it tomorrow (advice on what to look for would be much appreciated, if anyone feels bored on a Friday afternoon!)

 

I really like Sudbury and I started looking at boats that were not Baseplate to find something smaller (moving for work, probably going to have to moor in a marina), but I think it would be too small to live on, wouldn't it?

 

Then I was looking at Beaulieu (http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=417211), but I suspect that is too shiny for me (marble tiles and granite countertops and a dishwasher and not a damp mouldy hulk like Baseplate was when I moved on), not to mention too expensive! It does look really spacious, though.

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I'm intrigued by a couple of non-traditional features on Clypeus: why is the "welly rail" split and what's the feature on the front engine room bulkhead that looks like an umbrella holder?

 

It says in the ad:

During the war years she was a fire boat stationed at City Road basin, London. She was fitted with 3 large pumps each rated at 700 gallons per min and used to extinguish fires following bomb damage at busy ports and transhipment depots.

 

I believe one of the features of the fire boats was a door in the backend. There's still one on Callisto.

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Oooh, Clypeus looks interesting. I might give them a ring. Am hopefully going to view it tomorrow (advice on what to look for would be much appreciated, if anyone feels bored on a Friday afternoon!)

 

I really like Sudbury and I started looking at boats that were not Baseplate to find something smaller (moving for work, probably going to have to moor in a marina), but I think it would be too small to live on, wouldn't it?

 

Then I was looking at Beaulieu (http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=417211), but I suspect that is too shiny for me (marble tiles and granite countertops and a dishwasher and not a damp mouldy hulk like Baseplate was when I moved on), not to mention too expensive! It does look really spacious, though.

 

 

Stop that! the "BASEPLATE" is a lovely boat much admired by me on passing through Oxford many times over the years. Pleased to see her up at Brinklow recently too and looking good now!

 

Hopefully the "BASEPLATE" is not logged on here and reading your posts... ;)

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https://m.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=448862

 

Baildon.

 

I'm curious to know if any of these sell for anywhere near their opening asking price.

 

I don't think I have seen Baildon since I crawled over the hulk of it as a butty in the 1970s.

 

To my eye there is a serious problem with it for anybody who wants a "Grand Union" boat that actually looks like one from all angles.

 

Malcolm Braine has bestowed upon it a counter that is far deeper than "Large Woolwicj" motor would have had, Presumably this is intended to reduce the working draught of this butty conversion, but the result is very ill proportioned. Add to that the odd shaped back cabin, (probably resulting from the same thing?) and to me the boat looks all wrong.

 

Perhaps MTB will like it, as it seems to have a "Flamingo-like" gap!

 

Picture from HNBC site.

 

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I don't think I have seen Baildon since I crawled over the hulk of it as a butty in the 1970s.

 

To my eye there is a serious problem with it for anybody who wants a "Grand Union" boat that actually looks like one from all angles.

 

Malcolm Braine has bestowed upon it a counter that is far deeper than "Large Woolwicj" motor would have had, Presumably this is intended to reduce the working draught of this butty conversion, but the result is very ill proportioned. Add to that the odd shaped back cabin, (probably resulting from the same thing?) and to me the boat looks all wrong.

 

Perhaps MTB will like it, as it seems to have a "Flamingo-like" gap!

 

Picture from HNBC site.

 

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Looks like a bit like a Royalty from that angle.

Oooh, Clypeus looks interesting. I might give them a ring. Am hopefully going to view it tomorrow (advice on what to look for would be much appreciated, if anyone feels bored on a Friday afternoon!)

 

I really like Sudbury and I started looking at boats that were not Baseplate to find something smaller (moving for work, probably going to have to moor in a marina), but I think it would be too small to live on, wouldn't it?

 

Then I was looking at Beaulieu (http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=417211), but I suspect that is too shiny for me (marble tiles and granite countertops and a dishwasher and not a damp mouldy hulk like Baseplate was when I moved on), not to mention too expensive! It does look really spacious, though.

Get it surveyed by someone who understands old boats, and have them measure the width. This is absolutely crucial when buying an old boat, because a spread boat can't go through all narrow locks.

 

It's worth joining HNBC if you've not already and are thinking of an old boat for access to those "in the know" and to network- our boat was only advertised in the HNBC magazine, as the seller wanted a particular type of buyer.

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BAILDON might look all wrong for someone looking for a GU boat that looks right, but it's well equipped and looks comfy inside. The only concern I would have from the description alone would the use of rockwool as insulation - and in place for 40yrs?!

 

I thought it had a Royalty look too. Back cabin range needs lifting a bit. But apart from detailed stuff - what beam? We know what it should be - but what is it?

 

SUDBURY is a one person toy - quite nice though, and the other two overpriced.

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I'm curious to know if any of these sell for anywhere near their opening asking price.

 

I didn't pick this point up earlier.......

 

Clearly highly variable, and in no small part dependent on how optimistic the seller starts off.

 

All I can say is that based on our own limited experience I have been genuinely surprised by what some people have been prepared to pay.

 

It is a highly specialist market, with very few boats openly marketed, (although as you know more probably change hands by word of mouth without ever being openly marketed - I'm sure you know an example!).

 

If two people show interest in the same boat, then it seems someone will often pay a surprising amount to secure it. We are currently moored at Brinklow Boat services surrounded by some lovely, (or potentially lovely!) boats, including one we showed considerable interest in before it sold to someone else. Seeing the very extensive work now carried out on it by the excellent team here, our worst estimates as to what needed spending on it were not far adrift, but (to my mind) it had sold for a price somewhere near "asking" that simply didn't reflect how much needed spending on it.

SUDBURY is a one person toy - quite nice though, and the other two overpriced.

 

No, even "Sickle" is a two person toy, (you need to be good friends, though!), and "Sudbury" is palatially appointed by comparison!

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P.S. You must be totally batty to consider paying £98k for the "BEAULIEU"..!!

I am totally batty - just look at my name! ;) and yes BASEPLATE is a great boat and not one I want to sell. I'm just struggling to work out how to move without losing the overhead I paid for this mooring and sadly the options include selling or renting. I got interested in old boats while we were at Brinklow and would love to own one one day.

 

Having viewed BEAULIEU, I can see why they are asking a high price. It's like a minimalist modern flat inside and it looks like they've made great efforts to make the undercloth cabin unobtrusive. It is a lovely boat, though one that I suppose may not be to everyone's taste.

 

CLYPEUS is also a lovely boat, and I kind of preferred that it felt a bit more lived in. I can confirm that the steps down into the conversion were awkward, but we identified a possible fix. Definitely less spacious than BEAULIEU - my partner is 6'4" and felt it was claustrophobic, but a big part of that was due to an odd choice of lights, which looked easy to fix. the chimneys sticking out of the conversion look a bit unwieldy (but again relatively easy to change).

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If Bealieu and Clypeus are both under cloth conversions, and each have similar internal floor levels above the baseplate, and similar thicknesses of lining under the "false cloths" then I would say it is inevitable that Bealieu will always feel the more spacious, particularly to somebody tall.

 

As a "large" Grand Union boat "Bealieu will have hull depth of a fairly massive 4' 9", whereas as a "Small" Grand Union boar "Clypeus will have a hull depth of 4' 2".

Hence the pint at which the false top commences will be somewhere like 7" lower on Clypeus than Bealieu. That 7" is a fairly large amount, and unless some other factor is radically different between thew two conversions, internally Beaulieu will be and feel a lot bigger,

 

The front ten feet or so of "Flamingo" (formerly "Letchwoth" - a "Large" "Town Class" boat), is this type of conversion Stood in the centre, as a six footer, I have in excess of 14" above my head, and can stand vertical across well over half the available width, This simply can't be the case when a boat with much lower sides is given an otherwise similar conversion.

 

if you are shorter it becomes less important, but I don't think I have seen a"Star Class" (Small) Grand Union boat or a Josher with an under-cloth conversion that I would want to live with full time.

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If Bealieu and Clypeus are both under cloth conversions, and each have similar internal floor levels above the baseplate, and similar thicknesses of lining under the "false cloths" then I would say it is inevitable that Bealieu will always feel the more spacious, particularly to somebody tall.

 

As a "large" Grand Union boat "Bealieu will have hull depth of a fairly massive 4' 9", whereas as a "Small" Grand Union boar "Clypeus will have a hull depth of 4' 2".

 

Hence the pint at which the false top commences will be somewhere like 7" lower on Clypeus than Bealieu. That 7" is a fairly large amount, and unless some other factor is radically different between thew two conversions, internally Beaulieu will be and feel a lot bigger,

 

The front ten feet or so of "Flamingo" (formerly "Letchwoth" - a "Large" "Town Class" boat), is this type of conversion Stood in the centre, as a six footer, I have in excess of 14" above my head, and can stand vertical across well over half the available width, This simply can't be the case when a boat with much lower sides is given an otherwise similar conversion.

 

if you are shorter it becomes less important, but I don't think I have seen a"Star Class" (Small) Grand Union boat or a Josher with an under-cloth conversion that I would want to live with full time.

Errrrr.....hang on a minute Alan. The deckboard, engine 'ole & cabin sides should be taller on a little boat which roughly compensates for that 7". If you want me to name a boat which got this point seriously wrong I'll tell you tomorrow.

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Errrrr.....hang on a minute Alan. The deckboard, engine 'ole & cabin sides should be taller on a little boat which roughly compensates for that 7". If you want me to name a boat which got this point seriously wrong I'll tell you tomorrow.

 

Accepted, and I've probably not explained it too well, but the fact that the lower ends of the "sloping bit" are 7" lower, (i.e. the inward taper begins 7" lower than on a "Town" still greatly increases the feeling of less space, and limits how far each side of centre you can stand without bashing your head.

 

Josher under cloth conversions are particularly constraining in this respect compared to a "Town", IMO.

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Accepted, and I've probably not explained it too well, but the fact that the lower ends of the "sloping bit" are 7" lower, (i.e. the inward taper begins 7" lower than on a "Town" still greatly increases the feeling of less space, and limits how far each side of centre you can stand without bashing your head.

 

Josher under cloth conversions are particularly constraining in this respect compared to a "Town", IMO.

Agreed, but they do look so much more elegant! smile.png

 

George ex nb Alton retired

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Josher under cloth conversions are particularly constraining in this respect compared to a "Town", IMO.

I can't comment on metal boats but I always found the extra tall blacked shearing of the 6 plank town class more claustrophobic than the taller sloping undercloth conversion of five plankers.

 

This was probably due to the freedom to paint the undercloth ply in brighter colours (Lucy's slackboards were painted with traditional symbols such as card suits, compass and such).

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L&L Short Boats:

 

Lake: http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=437658 Is this really 150 years old?

Arthur (ex Mersey): http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=402999 , Previously owned by John Liley and Richard Branson

 

 

And Yorkshire Keel Snipe http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=388815

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L&L Short Boats:

 

Lake: http://narrowboats.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=437658 Is this really 150 years old?

I have always thought of Lake as a former A&CN maintenance boat, rather than off the L&LC. I can find no record of a L&LC boat called Lake on a list dating from 1907, and Lake could refer to Lake Lock, the original A&CN maintenance yard near Stanley Ferry.

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