zenataomm Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) I remember Fir from the 80s. She had a SL2 under the back deck. The conversion to hire boat was done by the son of Wyvern Shipping. He removed the elm bottom (if you look at the historical photo in the advert you'll see the kelson) He also took 15ft out of the middle, and the work was done at Braunstone. She had her original massive rudder and was so good in reverse could be steered backwards around the island in Brownings Pool repeatedly. The advert says she was originally a tug ...... really? Referring back to the photos of her working clearly show her to be a carrying boat. Nice looking boat, shame she's been made to look like any old working boat when the Counter - Engine Hole - Living Cabin original layout was so distinctively original. Far too much money IMO. Edited January 19, 2021 by zenataomm Got me fats and fars muxed ip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Seems about £70k overpriced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Dont know if this has been seen before? Chiswick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 In the ad for Fir it says that it is tax exempt but what does that mean? No VAT on the sale price or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Didn't think you paid VAT on boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav and Pen Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 There’s vat on new boats unless they are large enough and meet the other criteria to be zero rated. There could be vat if the boat is being brought from a registered business and it has been on their books as an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam & Di Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) You certainly pay VAT on a boat bought from a professional builder - if it is sufficiently large to come within the definition of "Qualifying Ship" you are paying at the Zero Rate so the effect is you pay nothing, but in tax terms it is still VAT Paid. If you bought a second-hand boat through a broker you would pay VAT on his fees, not the vessel itself. "Tax Exempt" has a different meaning in tax law. It is an item where 'tax does not apply' and I'm not sure how a boat sale comes under that unless it is a private sale. Tam Edited February 22, 2021 by Tam & Di Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Tam & Di said: You certainly pay VAT on a boat bought from a professional builder - if it is sufficiently large to come within the definition of "Qualifying Ship" you are paying at the Zero Rate so the effect is you pay nothing, but in tax terms it is still VAT Paid. If you bought a second-hand boat through a broker you would pay VAT on his fees, not the vessel itself. "Tax Exempt" has a different meaning in tax law. It is an item where 'tax does not apply' and I'm not sure how a boat sale comes under that unless it is a private sale. Tam Would it be the same if you bought an exhire boat from a VAT registered hire company. I take it they would have bought it VAT free bit the vat would need paying when its sold on. I think the same thing happens with second hand vans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav and Pen Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said: Would it be the same if you bought an exhire boat from a VAT registered hire company. I take it they would have bought it VAT free bit the vat would need paying when its sold on. I think the same thing happens with second hand vans The original buyer would have paid vat but being a registered company would claim this back. When sold there would be vat to charge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frahkn Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tam & Di said: You certainly pay VAT on a boat bought from a professional builder - if it is sufficiently large to come within the definition of "Qualifying Ship" you are paying at the Zero Rate so the effect is you pay nothing, but in tax terms it is still VAT Paid. If you bought a second-hand boat through a broker you would pay VAT on his fees, not the vessel itself. "Tax Exempt" has a different meaning in tax law. It is an item where 'tax does not apply' and I'm not sure how a boat sale comes under that unless it is a private sale. Tam As above. Full rate Lower rate Zero rate VAT exempt Outside the scope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Strawson Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 14/06/2020 at 19:41, pete harrison said: VELA was built as a 71'6'' unpowered small Woolwich butty, i.e. it was designed to be towed behind a powered boat or motor. Once out of trade VELA was cut in two, with each end rebuilt into pleasure boats - the original fore end being used as a fore end and the original stern also used as a fore end, and both fitted with conventional counter sterns. The boat you have bought is the original stern being used as a fore end. Do you know much about these old working boats edit - the photographs on Ebay when VELA was for sale a few weeks ago showed it having a welded conventional counter stern rather than a 'flat traditional stern'. I am sure there is some confusion in the terms you / we are using - and congratulations on your acquisition. A late response as completely lost this thread. We have been working and trying to refit the boat at the same time - weather permitting! I am sure you are quite correct about the stern. My knowledge is growing and we are trying to make sure we use the correct terms. It has been really interesting learning about Vela and am gradually saving the information separately. Love having a boat with history! Thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post Edited February 23, 2021 by Tim Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Tim Lewis said: Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post Which one of the three is the genuine ad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Tim Lewis said: Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post I thought I posted that yesterday but it seams to have disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Strawson Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 14/06/2020 at 19:38, stagedamager said: Hi Sara. Yep, you have the stern end, so your bow is the original butty stern going backwards. The other half still exists as a motor, with the original bow. There are numerous photos of her working, probably the best well known is in the bottom lock of the Derby Canal when it had been closed to traffic. Good luck with your project Kind regards Dan Thanks Dan I will look out for those. On 14/06/2020 at 20:02, furnessvale said: Good luck with the hunting. I have researched my own boat, Badger, and you will fill many hours finding cargoes, who steered her and when, even the wages of the skipper if you are lucky. Ellesmere Port museum has loads of info, but getting through the maze of it is something else! Sorry - very late reply but I lost this thread. Thank you for that information. I have made a note and will definitely look this up! Looks like a cruise up that way is in order when we are closer to having a habitable boat. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckbyLocks Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 Because Deimos and Vela were a pair used by Trainees during the war there are several mentions of the pair in both film and newspaper reports. The American journalist, Elsie Danenberg travelled on the pair and this was illustrated in the Birmingham Mail, Saturday May 27th 1944. There is also a video, entitled 3 Girls in a Boat from the Imperial War Museum, (although it may be hiding on You Tube by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Narrowboats Posted February 23, 2021 Report Share Posted February 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, BuckbyLocks said: Because Deimos and Vela were a pair used by Trainees during the war there are several mentions of the pair in both film and newspaper reports. The American journalist, Elsie Danenberg travelled on the pair and this was illustrated in the Birmingham Mail, Saturday May 27th 1944. There is also a video, entitled 3 Girls in a Boat from the Imperial War Museum, (although it may be hiding on You Tube by now. It's on BFI player. I own what's left of Deimos, better known these days as push tug "Slough" and still working for her living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Minnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 I didn't realise there was only one Josher running a pup. Nice boat. One for Mr Pinnock? Or does he have enough boats already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted February 25, 2021 Report Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, magnetman said: I didn't realise there was only one Josher running a pup. Nice boat. One for Mr Pinnock? Or does he have enough boats already. It's the only one in the water, Clent has a pup but it's not finished yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted March 4, 2021 Report Share Posted March 4, 2021 Raleigh https://www.greathaywoodboatsales.co.uk/shop/raleigh/?fbclid=IwAR0OZ7_m6Cq1XCP4XRt3sdU-LmZ0WfXvTWf0qikBeXpwqf2BJQvISfAzbIU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 On 23/02/2021 at 10:01, Tim Lewis said: Ara and Archimedes have been put up for sale via a Facebook post Did these sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 On 04/03/2021 at 12:53, Tim Lewis said: Raleigh https://www.greathaywoodboatsales.co.uk/shop/raleigh/?fbclid=IwAR0OZ7_m6Cq1XCP4XRt3sdU-LmZ0WfXvTWf0qikBeXpwqf2BJQvISfAzbIU Original knees eh? So are mine and if I were to be sold that would knock a few thousand off. Presumably they mean they have that kink for the bottom plank. Nice boat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrtm Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Bee said: Original knees eh? So are mine and if I were to be sold that would knock a few thousand off. Presumably they mean they have that kink for the bottom plank. Nice boat though. I like the ones that had the wooden plank and bottoms on, I've only seen 1 with the wooden plank still on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 I've only seen the cut off stern of a very old bantock with the wooden plank and bottoms and that was many years ago, doubt there's any left at all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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