zenataomm Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 hours ago, alan_fincher said: Many of the descriptions on the HNBC website are not particularly accurate. Build date - 1949 Registration Date - 17/10/1924 Either Thos. Clayton was very forward minded (25 years in fact) or it was built around 08.50pm on 17/10/1924 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 11 hours ago, alan_fincher said: I don't thing Ed does survey work, does he? His specialisation is surely as a mechanic, (and he is a good one) I'm not the only one on the forum that rates him, I know. Yep, that would include me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted April 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Not the time I guess to be trying to buy, (or sell), an historic boat, but Rufford offers a lot of potential... http://www.nortoncanesboatbuilders.co.uk/home/index.php/boats-for-sale/78-rufford We tried to buy Rufford as an estate sale back in Mid 2013, but were eventually heavily gazumped and it went to someone else who was then a forum member for (I think) £58K, so the current reduced asking price of £50K does show what has happened to prices of "historics" since. I don't know the full story here, and whilst much work has clearly been done in the meantime, it is also still obviously "work in progress", unless you consider an open plan loo to be totally normal. Norton Canes seem to have docked it, has it surveyed, and replaced anodes and blacked it in two pack, and the hull appears to be good to go for some years. The Lister HR2 was put in before 2013 by Brinklow Boats, and as I understand it is a very low hours unit. If I still needed a full length converted boat, I'd certainly be revisiting Rufford. That horrible cocooned generator in the engine room would have to go though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddle Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) On 02/04/2020 at 11:38, DHutch said: Wooden boat in need of help! Because if you can't sell a pile of timber (that needs a six-figure sum spending on it) for £1,000, then a 20% discount is going to make all the difference... Poor Conway needs a dowry, not a bill. It could be worse. Mabel & Forgot me Ages Ago are £23,000 for the pair. http://www.batesboatyard.co.uk/mabel-forgetmenot.htm "The topsides look a bit off putting but beneath the waterline they are in good condition." Edited to add: I'm really not trying to be horrid. I do hope there is a happy ending for all of these. But the vendors seem to struggle in seeing the difference between 'liability' and 'asset'... And also, Conway has been mentioned on here by two proud new owners. In 2008 and also in 2013 (a little way down this thread): Edited April 3, 2020 by Paddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Allen's of Oldbury were mentioned in one of those threads. Cabin conversion I guess. Not sure if they did works on wooden hulls but they may have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max's son Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 What about this one Lady Hatherton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 I have vague memories of visiting Allen's yard with my Dad in the late 60s. There were wooden boats on the bank and I can remember seeing one where a new plank had been scarfed in and new sheathing fitted to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Super sized large Woolwich motor https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/harland-and-wolff-short-boat-town-class/630346 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 03/04/2020 at 20:42, magnetman said: Allen's of Oldbury were mentioned in one of those threads. Cabin conversion I guess. Not sure if they did works on wooden hulls but they may have done. Prior to setting up at Oldbury Les Allen worked at Spencer Abbot and Company, Salford Bridge - ending up as Forman I believe. Spencer Abbott and Company built new boats as well as extensive dockings, mostly if not all in wood. This would mean that the yard established at Oldbury would easily manage maintenance and alterations to wooden hulls, and it was this yard that converted CONWAY to a counter sterned motor pleasure boat in 1968/69. In response to the current advert I have written quite a lot about CONWAY elsewhere, possibly on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 8 hours ago, pete harrison said: Super sized large Woolwich motor https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/harland-and-wolff-short-boat-town-class/630346 "A commercial boat suitable for conversation", says the advert. He'll talk about the price, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Athy said: "A commercial boat suitable for conversation", says the advert. He'll talk about the price, then. Certainly this year we're all going to be doing more talking than actual boating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatch Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, zenataomm said: Certainly this year we're all going to be doing more talking than actual boating. I’m doing very little of both. As a footnote, Rufford looks a lot of money considering what needs to be done to finish. Depends, I suppose, what you want to end up with. But £50,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete harrison Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 here we go again - ORION on Ebay @ £20k. Previously up for Ebay auction with an end date of 23 February 2020, but the advert was taken down on 17 February 2020. The current seller has a different Ebay name and a different telephone number, and more concerning is the history score of '0' https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50ft-trad-narrowboat/202970601149?hash=item2f41fd96bd:g:M6AAAOSwedNenxsF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark99 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 07/04/2020 at 13:26, Nightwatch said: I’m doing very little of both. As a footnote, Rufford looks a lot of money considering what needs to be done to finish. Depends, I suppose, what you want to end up with. But £50,000. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GilesMorris Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, pete harrison said: here we go again - ORION on Ebay @ £20k. Previously up for Ebay auction with an end date of 23 February 2020, but the advert was taken down on 17 February 2020. The current seller has a different Ebay name and a different telephone number, and more concerning is the history score of '0' https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50ft-trad-narrowboat/202970601149?hash=item2f41fd96bd:g:M6AAAOSwedNenxsF When I look at the listing I see that the vendor "will post to the United States". Now I'm tempted to make an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 14 hours ago, pete harrison said: here we go again - ORION on Ebay @ £20k. Previously up for Ebay auction with an end date of 23 February 2020, but the advert was taken down on 17 February 2020. The current seller has a different Ebay name and a different telephone number, and more concerning is the history score of '0' https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50ft-trad-narrowboat/202970601149?hash=item2f41fd96bd:g:M6AAAOSwedNenxsF It has moved from Pillings lock then. Unless something has changed since I last saw her, "She has got a newly refurbished lister 3 cylinder engine which is in pristine condition" isn't exactly correct Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire~rose Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, RLWP said: It has moved from Pillings lock then. Unless something has changed since I last saw her, "She has got a newly refurbished lister 3 cylinder engine which is in pristine condition" isn't exactly correct Richard It's OK, if the engine rattles you can turn up the volume on the built in sound system to cover the noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddle Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Since February ORION has apparently been painted green (instead of blue) and blacked. And it has a new 4-year BSC. So the Lister might well have been overhauled too... Bloke with financée and dog was probably delighted to be shot of it at about 4k in February, so whoever bought it would be onto a significant profit. There's no wooden boat that doesn't look as thought it was newly built after a coat of blacking... and no Lister that a stainless exhaust doesn't make look overhauled... Here's the February listing with different paint colour, and absence of BSC: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/48-Foot-Narrow-Boat-Project-Liveaboard-NO-RESERVE-/223913684489?nma=true&si=hqnR5xfThe5xhhOHFju%2FPjNlWW4%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athy Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Paddle said: Since February ORION has apparently been painted green (instead of blue) and blacked. And it has a new 4-year BSC. So the Lister might well have been overhauled too.. Overhauled? It's grown an extra cylinder too! Perhaps that's not surprising, as the boat has also grown by two feet. I would be interested to learn more about the "100 foot narrowboat" of which this once formed part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Athy said: Overhauled? It's grown an extra cylinder too! It actually lost one in that last advert, and is now back to the correct number Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 "Sunk for preservation...." ? I must remember that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek R. Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 General practice for clinker built wooden boats, dinghys especially. Dried wood shrinks, then leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenataomm Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Derek R. said: General practice for clinker built wooden boats, dinghys especially. Dried wood shrinks, then leaks. Yes I know. However most canal boats that sink do so because of lack of attention. I was amused at the image of someone in the 60s/70s looking at an under maintained long distance, wooden narrow boat and deciding ..... "You know, I appreciate this ancient boat which is mainly rotten and knackered is only worth buttons, however I really think we should deliberately sink it in order to preserve what timbers aren't already mushy. We should do this in order to preserve it for future generations to restore and then pontificate in flowery language about it so they can sell it for thousands." Yeah right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, zenataomm said: Yes I know. However most canal boats that sink do so because of lack of attention. I was amused at the image of someone in the 60s/70s looking at an under maintained long distance, wooden narrow boat and deciding ..... "You know, I appreciate this ancient boat which is mainly rotten and knackered is only worth buttons, however I really think we should deliberately sink it in order to preserve what timbers aren't already mushy. We should do this in order to preserve it for future generations to restore and then pontificate in flowery language about it so they can sell it for thousands." Yeah right! That's more or less what the Boat Museum at Ellesmere Port did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, zenataomm said: Yes I know. However most canal boats that sink do so because of lack of attention. I was amused at the image of someone in the 60s/70s looking at an under maintained long distance, wooden narrow boat and deciding ..... "You know, I appreciate this ancient boat which is mainly rotten and knackered is only worth buttons, however I really think we should deliberately sink it in order to preserve what timbers aren't already mushy. We should do this in order to preserve it for future generations to restore and then pontificate in flowery language about it so they can sell it for thousands." Yeah right! 3 hours ago, David Mack said: That's more or less what the Boat Museum at Ellesmere Port did! Edited April 26, 2020 by Ray T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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