MY JSA SUSPENDED AGAIN

[FORTUNATA]

I think, fair enough, I handled it maturely. I did that because acording to my ethics I don't agree with putting someone else's reputation in peril. It's more likely as a secretary she's be more efficient with paperwork than I am so I stepped back a bit.

However, let me say this: What's going on is wrong and I oppose any notion of jobseekers losing money, unless there is a really good reason. I oppose this whole sanctions phenomenon started by the Tories as deplorable. It stinks. Remember very many people haven't a clue what the rules are and what is going on. They must feel totally frustrated and alienated. Myself, I have some idea how to at least try and defend myself but so many people can't try and state their cause. Even worse, we know in many cases women are suffering the consequences. Domestic abuse is increasing. Kids from homes where parents scrape on a paltry sum of money under threat by some bureaucratic system suffer.

There is now amassive risk of creating a system that encourages abuse and it's happening all the time. Rules are being applied and the jobseekers often have no idea what's going on or what rights they may have.

In my own case I believe I do have the right to define intent from error and I believe that is up to a so-called decision maker who is supposedly given guide lines to follow on culpability.

Another massive gripe is all of this hinders your genuine job search. My responsibility is to actively seek work, not to try and fight the jobcentre off. If you seek work you should be allowed money to live on. That money should not be stopped unless there is a genuine good reason where there is gross misconduct.

I think it has gone way too far but you don't win friends to your cause being stubborn and rigid. I am hoping the job centre meet me half way as I've tried to be fair to their staff.

 

Talking about doing the necessary to keep people happy at the Jobcentre and efficiency.

 

I'm with one of their contractors, Ingeus, a works programme office. Was sent a next-appointment letter. Before that appointment, was sent another next-appointment letter. Apointments weeks apart. First, not attended yet. No reference to the first appointment. Looks like a cock-up, so I will attend the first anyway.

 

Both letters also make reference to some (?) tasks that have to be done, prior to the appointment. They do, however, forget to include the nature of the tasks or make any further mention of any task. I havn't been on their psychic work experience course, so I'll make the first appointment to find out what they're doing.

 

I tried but I can't help being absent minded. I've been that way since a toddler. My school reports used to state I was in some kind of dream world.

 

You can still be absent minded & meet your appointments if you have a plan.

forget the past and concentrate on the future.

How do you remember security type things? can you apply it to JSA appointments?

Can you turn your JSA appointments into a security type thing?

Do you keep a diary?

Do you use a mobile? It may have a diary reminder function - you could set it as soon as you get the appointment instructions

Edited May 30, 2012 by FORTUNATA

[KirraMisha]

Maybe having your JSA suspended every now and again will help you with your absent mindedness

I would suspend any member of staff who thought/spoke like that and failed to recognise special needs.

thankfully you dont work for the employment service.

 

Fortunata you need a special needs assesment ask for one and request you are given telephone reminders or text for appointments.

Edited May 30, 2012 by KirraMisha

[Naughty Cal]

I would suspend any member of staff who thought/spoke like that and failed to recognise special needs.

thankfully you dont work for the employment service.

 

Fortunata you need a special needs assesment ask for one and request you are given telephone reminders or text for appointments.

 

Is there anything that doesnt count as "special needs" these days?

 

The OP has stated that he is quite capable of remebering somethings but has a mental block with paperwork. Is that really "special needs?"

 

Personally I would say that is just being human. We all have things we prefer to block out and not give our full attention too.

[KirraMisha]

Indeed it can, because the answer that you have given rather makes my point.

 

As soon as somebody has their JSA stopped, tales of how they are doing this all the time are wheeled out, and there is a knee-jerk assumption that any sanction is unfair.

 

Yes, there will be cases where people are unfairly sanctioned, but there are also case where they are not, and (based on the information supplied by the OP), this one doesn't look manifestly unfair.

 

It is reasonable to expect that claimants will actually apply themselves diligently to obeying the rules, and NOT expect the system to just look after everything for them.

I see the OP as needing additional support not having support removed all together.

The system has failed to recognise his needs.

Interesting how two different people can read two different things from the same words.

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

I tried but I can't help being absent minded. I've been that way since a toddler. My school reports used to state I was in some kind of dream world.

Likewise. If I had been a child today, there is a good chance I would have been diagnosed with a learning difficulty. It is much harder to apply organisational skills when you are affected by such a disorder. It can be done, but it soaks up huge amounts of your energy somehow; the smallest organisational task can leave you feeling knackered. Even today after learning to cope with such issues, I have to go over things many times in my head before they "sink in." Don't expect anybody who has no experience of this to understand, because they simply won't have a clue what you mean.

[cotswoldsman]

I see the OP as needing additional support not having support removed all together.

The system has failed to recognise his needs.

Interesting how two different people can read two different things from the same words.

 

That is most probably why it is best to keep your opinion on this to yourself.

[Guest]

Is there anything that doesnt count as "special needs" these days?

 

The OP has stated that he is quite capable of remebering somethings but has a mental block with paperwork. Is that really "special needs?"

 

Personally I would say that is just being human. We all have things we prefer to block out and not give our full attention too.

Easy for you to say.

[KirraMisha]

Is there anything that doesnt count as "special needs" these days?

 

The OP has stated that he is quite capable of remebering somethings but has a mental block with paperwork. Is that really "special needs?"

 

Personally I would say that is just being human. We all have things we prefer to block out and not give our full attention too.

Personally I would say he may have a cognitive subtype of dyslexia!

Hes good at security because its a repetitive routine based job but digesting written information throws up difficulties.

Classic signs and nothing to do with selectively blocking things out.

 

That is most probably why it is best to keep your opinion on this to yourself.

Why would you come to that conclusion?

Are you qualified to?

[FORTUNATA]

The JSA lady agreed it would be a good idea for me to see a doc as I have a bit of basic stress. Not serious stress but a combination of pressures that can affect my memory more than normal. Those of you who ever suffered basic stress will know your mind over races and works too fast so you take in less external information. A good doc would maybe cover me a couple of weeks on stress leave.

Special needs? I suspect I have partial inability to recognise faces. I know that sounds bizarre but it exists. I think I have very mild symptoms of it and let me tell you it's mega embarrassing. I recently saw a friend and addressed her as a stranger in the street. She said, "Hey, it's me!" She looked at me puzzled. Makes you feel very awkward. I've been in offices and had to cover up and bluff not knowing who someone is. This happens when a person is out of context in a different location. Please don't dismiss me as nuts. It just happens.

Also long term memory is amazing. I've met people and can often tell them word for word what they said to me months ago. It spooked one girl last week. Short term memory, however, is weak.

 

I would suspend any member of staff who thought/spoke like that and failed to recognise special needs.

thankfully you dont work for the employment service.

 

Fortunata you need a special needs assesment ask for one and request you are given telephone reminders or text for appointments.

[Higgs]

Is there anything that doesnt count as "special needs" these days?

 

It's not only private citizens that get state hand-outs.

 

Railways, banks, Richard Branson, firms that don't pay their staff a living wage.

[jelunga]

Exacerly, and true of many products. We have assumed in the past that household names were British, when many of them weren't. I used to think Ford were a British company, and was quite shocked to learn that they were american. Should have known better at 50.

 

Would Reliant have been the last all British produced car? I know they made the engine etc in house, as well as the body/chassis. Perhaps the wiper blades or something were of foreign manufacture, but I think they were largely made from components produced in Britain?

Reliant originally used Hillman Imp engines. Bristol car are still going, owned by Kamcorp a British/Swiss company owned a a Uk resident Indian. So therefore the last British Car maker except Morgan?

[FORTUNATA]

Nope, my word perception is mega strong. I'm also multilingual but need to look at words to pronounce them in foreign language. Yet oral perception is so weak I was a backward kid at school. This was because classes were orally transmitted. Once I switched to written learning methods, I rocketed onwards.

I guess many of us have weird handicaps. My best friend was a super talented rock guitarist who could play just like John McClaughlin. Yet he was autistic. I think he had high level autism which meant he was very inteligent but unable to relate to normal people in terms of social skills.

 

 

Personally I would say he may have a cognitive subtype of dyslexia!

Hes good at security because its a repetitive routine based job but digesting written information throws up difficulties.

Classic signs and nothing to do with selectively blocking things out.

 

 

Why would you come to that conclusion?

Are you qualified to?

[Guest]

Nothing "nuts" about it. Einstein was believed to have had learning difficulties. I work with 1000 kids, a considerable number of whom have a learning difficulty. My wife specialised in working with autistic children, so we have a little experience.

 

I am the opposite to yourself, NEVER forget a face, but forget names and places easily.

 

Its just the way we are made, but like I stated earlier, don't expect those without experience to understand; quite simply they won't. The same people would hold a door for somebody who had a little difficulty walking, but will have no empathy whatsoever for somebody who has a little difficulty thinking. Believe me, I see it every day.

 

Edited because I put sympathy instead of empathy.

Edited May 30, 2012 by Guest

[carlt]

...don't expect those without experience to understand; quite simply they won't.

of course the inability to empathise with others is a personality disorder, rather than a learning difficulty.

[FORTUNATA]

That was my point. Einstein would have had his JSA stopped, trust me.

In fact, lately I'm absolutely fascinated by intelligence definition. It's such a complex field. That is, it's not simply how fast you think and learn but how deep you delve. Einstein wouldn't let go but kept puzzling and puzzling. Sooner or later it will fall into place.

I've known mega intelligent people. I knew a girl at uni who was very very smart and pretty too.

 

Nothing "nuts" about it. Einstein was believed to have had learning difficulties. I work with 1000 kids, a considerable number of whom have a learning difficulty. My wife specialised in working with autistic children, so we have a little experience.

 

I am the opposite to yourself, NEVER forget a face, but forget names and places easily.

 

Its just the way we are made, but like I stated earlier, don't expect those without experience to understand; quite simply they won't. The same people would hold a door for somebody who had a little difficulty walking, but will have no sympathy whatsoever for somebody who has a little difficulty thinking. Believe me, I see it every day.

 

There is so much meat to that issue. Was John Lennon as great a genious as Einstein? After all, Lennon was a musical genious with incredible creative imagination.

Are women more intelligent than men? In some respects, yes. Racial intelligence? It's believed Orientals come out as higher IQ than we Europeans.

Autism can be linked directly to intelligence because the autistic individual doesn't fit into his society thereby crating depressive disorder.

 

Nothing "nuts" about it. Einstein was believed to have had learning difficulties. I work with 1000 kids, a considerable number of whom have a learning difficulty. My wife specialised in working with autistic children, so we have a little experience.

 

I am the opposite to yourself, NEVER forget a face, but forget names and places easily.

 

Its just the way we are made, but like I stated earlier, don't expect those without experience to understand; quite simply they won't. The same people would hold a door for somebody who had a little difficulty walking, but will have no sympathy whatsoever for somebody who has a little difficulty thinking. Believe me, I see it every day.

Edited May 30, 2012 by FORTUNATA

[Higgs]

of course the inability to empathise with others is a personality disorder, rather than a learning difficulty.

 

 

Supposedly - the general population has something like 1% of people that have these lack-of-empathy disorders, but that figure goes up to over 4% when measuring those at the top. Possibly, a Fred Goodwin type.

[Guest]

of course the inability to empathise with others is a personality disorder, rather than a learning difficulty.

How very true. Empathy is in short supply, though that shouldn't surprise me in our smug and selfish society.

Edited May 30, 2012 by Guest

[Ratzend]

The JSA lady agreed it would be a good idea for me to see a doc as I have a bit of basic stress. Not serious stress but a combination of pressures that can affect my memory more than normal. Those of you who ever suffered basic stress will know your mind over races and works too fast so you take in less external information. A good doc would maybe cover me a couple of weeks on stress leave.

Special needs? I suspect I have partial inability to recognise faces. I know that sounds bizarre but it exists. I think I have very mild symptoms of it and let me tell you it's mega embarrassing. I recently saw a friend and addressed her as a stranger in the street. She said, "Hey, it's me!" She looked at me puzzled. Makes you feel very awkward. I've been in offices and had to cover up and bluff not knowing who someone is. This happens when a person is out of context in a different location. Please don't dismiss me as nuts. It just happens.

Also long term memory is amazing. I've met people and can often tell them word for word what they said to me months ago. It spooked one girl last week. Short term memory, however, is weak.

 

 

It is quite a well known affliction !!! There is a proper name for it which I can't remember at the moment, John Cleese suffers from it and did a program a few years ago part of which centred around it.

 

I have had it for most of my life, I usually explain it to new friends and try and persuade them that if I meet them in the street and appear to ignore them then it is not intentional!!!

It can be quite handy sometimes

 

It has led to a few embarrassing situations but nothing that couldn't be resolved.

 

I find that I can usually remember a photograph of someone's face but not just from meeting them face to face.

Caricatures are easier to remember, and people pulling faces, comedians and people acting out of their normal behavior seems to work too.

 

I don't think it is really anything to do with special needs, and I have run a number of very successful business without alienating too many people

 

The best way really seems to be to just accept it, adapt and live with it, if it bothers anyone too much then I am afraid that is their loss as there isn't much I can do about it !!!

[Ex- Member]

There are many items made here,and there will be more and more over the coming years.Our company has fought for sales against cheaper and inferior products over the recent years.These products,often from China are now increasing in cost and we are reaping the rewards for hanging in there.A lot of the trouble with our country is that people constantly moan and believe the media doom and gloom stories.Cheer up its not all bad!

 

Unfortunately it's not media doom stories that have led me to lay off 4 full time workers over the past 18 months and the remaining 2 on short hours. I'm happy that any business can do well in this climate, unfortunately though many more businesses are struggling again and to a much higher degree than last time round. I don't read newspapers either, my knowledge of pending doom and gloom comes from a basic overview of stock market movement and world economics and what I can see with my own eyes. I predicted the recession we've just been through, and predicted the double dip we're in now. More doom and gloom is almost a certainty.

[Smelly]

 

FACT the government and ALL previous have manipulated the unemployment figures by forcing people off the UB40/JSA or dole in any other name on to other non calculated benefits.

 

Errrr... sorry I have to take issue with this!

 

Currently we are seeing a massive peak in the number of people being forced back into the labour market courtesy of Prof Harrington's (I hope un-intended) amendments to the Work Capability Assessment.

 

In the last 4 years we've seen a nearly 4 fold increase in the number of appeals against decisions that claimants are capable of work; against a claimant caseload that hasn't much budged.

 

The Cameroons won't openly admit that they are trying to reverse the effect of Thatcher parking everyone on Sickness benefit in the early nineties, but play on Labour's inactivity despite Labour's dislike of stigmatising those who might be viewed as disadvantaged in the labour market.

Edited May 30, 2012 by Smelly

[Boat&Bikes]

For some it would already appear to be.

 

 

It certainly is...

 

Ian.

[Boat&Bikes]

Unfortunately it's not media doom stories that have led me to lay off 4 full time workers over the past 18 months and the remaining 2 on short hours. I'm happy that any business can do well in this climate, unfortunately though many more businesses are struggling again and to a much higher degree than last time round. I don't read newspapers either, my knowledge of pending doom and gloom comes from a basic overview of stock market movement and world economics and what I can see with my own eyes. I predicted the recession we've just been through, and predicted the double dip we're in now. More doom and gloom is almost a certainty.

 

 

Not if i can help it,not in my world.

 

Ian.

[Smelly]

So to summarise; the OP has been lawfully penalised for something that he accepts he screwed up on. He has not been particularly harshly penalised considering the way the scheme operates.

 

He has chosen (again) to complain (on here as well as to "the powers that be") rather than engage the statutory dispute procedure which has been previously suggested.

 

He blames the people rather than the scheme that has compelled said people to enforce said scheme.

 

Some sympathise yet show little consideration of the history of the issue which goes back for some years and is founded on the OPs refusal to toe the statutory line until his family compelled him to ask for some money, yet he has repeatedly failed to satisfy the requirements to obtain that money and now says "maybe I should see a doctor!" in light of that failure; motivated by a low paid civil servant who has no medical knowledge and reinforced by this eminently medically qualified forum.

 

I am now doomed to be a sociopath for the sake of diluting the issue to it's critical elements...

 

Where's Gibbo when you need him?

 

I have another tub; it is available for thumping and is not as worn as some... Applicants are invited by PM.

 

Maybe my work has turned me into a sociopath but I hear this crap day in day out. Best I expose it where I needn't be impartial.

 

Edit... coz I spelled Gibbo wrong

Edited May 30, 2012 by Smelly

[Guest]

Probably not. Because if the employer felt so little about me that they dimissed me on those terms (i.e the terms the OP spoke about, leaving a half hour early) then they were not worth working for in the first place and why would I want more of their money?

 

Editted to swap a late for early

 

As a security guard leaving your 'post' early would be grounds for being accused of 'gross misconduct' and a justifiable grounds for summary dismissal.

 

What does the person then do if they then need a reference?.

 

At least taking the issue to an employment tribunal and proving the dismissal unfair gives you a fighting chance of getting another job.

 

Edit... coz I spelled Gibbo wrong

 

I'm less concerned about your spelling and a tad more concerned about your avatar. TBH

[owen]

Matty I don't mean to sound harsh but why should the taxpayer pay for you to set up your own business, i am sorry you are out of work but starting a business with no personal investment seems to me doomed to failure. I was accosted by two teenagers who leaflet dropping the village looking for work , anything from car washing, to ironing, gardening, they were seeking money to buy equipment to set up their own holiday home cleaning business. Have you considered something similar maybe linked to the business you were hoping to set up? You never know one of the recipients might be a potential investor.

did you give them any work they could do to let them earn some money.