BMC 1.8

[Flocal]

I need a few bits for my engine.

 

What is the most commonly used vehicle manufacturer to ask when in the auto factors leyland, shermer?

[RLWP]

It depends

 

What is it you need?

 

Richard

[Flocal]

Fuel filter, i have bought one before and remember it being quite a chore getting the man to find the right engine.

[Chalky]

Leyland Sherpa. I used to find that it was also a way of finding cheap parts for MGBs since the base engine had common elements and it didn't attract the markup that the word MG did.

Edited March 13, 2012 by Chalky

[Albion]

Fuel filter, i have bought one before and remember it being quite a chore getting the man to find the right engine.

 

From memory that fuel filter is a bog standard CAV/Delphi 296 filter. I recommend buying a genuine CAV/Delphi though as some of the pattern filters aren't quite so good on the O rings etc supplied and I have known of a case where it pulled air past the sealing ring for the through bolt head.

I think that it's one of these which I bought as a pack of 10 from fleabay CAV/Delphi 296

Roger

[RLWP]

I recall it being a 296 as well

 

Richard

[Flocal]

Cheers guys

[RLWP]

On the boat, I have a list of all the different manufacturer's numbers for each of the filters. That way, I can pick up an equivalent at any chandlers

 

Richard

[Troyboy]

Please be weary about buying fuel filters off ebay . I bought a pack of 10 what were claimed to be CAV 296 filters and when I received them they were inferior Chinese copies .I got my money back and refused to return them actually I still have them they are rubbish . Ironically when I went to my local Delphi diesel specialist the genuine Delphi HDF296 filters were cheaper than those I bought off ebay .

Delphi I understand took over what was previously CAV the part number of the CAV fuel filter was 7111-296 and was fitted to a huge number of diesel vehicles including tractors and Land Rovers . Actually it was a Land Rover specialist who sold me the Chinese copies . I've seen tractor specialist advertising on ebay what look suspiciously like Chinese copies .

Having in the past ruined an injector pump on my BMC 1.5 due to not changing the fuel filter frequently enough there is no way I would fit inferior fuel filters .

I suspect that the CAV 296 is probably the most popular fuel filter ever made which makes it worthwhile for the Chinese to copy them .

[Grace and Favour]

Please be weary about buying fuel filters off ebay . I bought a pack of 10 what were claimed to be CAV 296 filters and when I received them they were inferior Chinese copies .I got my money back and refused to return them actually I still have them they are rubbish . Ironically when I went to my local Delphi diesel specialist the genuine Delphi HDF296 filters were cheaper than those I bought off ebay .

Delphi I understand took over what was previously CAV the part number of the CAV fuel filter was 7111-296 and was fitted to a huge number of diesel vehicles including tractors and Land Rovers . Actually it was a Land Rover specialist who sold me the Chinese copies . I've seen tractor specialist advertising on ebay what look suspiciously like Chinese copies .

Having in the past ruined an injector pump on my BMC 1.5 due to not changing the fuel filter frequently enough there is no way I would fit inferior fuel filters .

I suspect that the CAV 296 is probably the most popular fuel filter ever made which makes it worthwhile for the Chinese to copy them .

 

The trouble is, of course, that you may well find that Delphi have their filters made in China too?

[Albion]

Please be weary about buying fuel filters off ebay . I bought a pack of 10 what were claimed to be CAV 296 filters and when I received them they were inferior Chinese copies .I got my money back and refused to return them actually I still have them they are rubbish . Ironically when I went to my local Delphi diesel specialist the genuine Delphi HDF296 filters were cheaper than those I bought off ebay .

Delphi I understand took over what was previously CAV the part number of the CAV fuel filter was 7111-296 and was fitted to a huge number of diesel vehicles including tractors and Land Rovers . Actually it was a Land Rover specialist who sold me the Chinese copies . I've seen tractor specialist advertising on ebay what look suspiciously like Chinese copies .

Having in the past ruined an injector pump on my BMC 1.5 due to not changing the fuel filter frequently enough there is no way I would fit inferior fuel filters .

I suspect that the CAV 296 is probably the most popular fuel filter ever made which makes it worthwhile for the Chinese to copy them .

Having worked in the motor industry and run my own garage business for over 20 years I'm pretty sure the ones I bought were genuine. I've seen quite a few genuine ones in my time.

Your point is a valid one but I'm happy with the ones I bought from the eBay link given.

Roger

[Flocal]

How often would you suggest changing the fuel filter on a this engine? (hours)

[Albion]

How often would you suggest changing the fuel filter on a this engine? (hours)

 

That would slightly depend on how clean your tank is etc. I would have thought about every 200 hours would be OK but these filters are so cheap you could do it earlier without significant cost. It's often worth looking at a sample of fuel when you do a change to be able to assess water content and cleanliness.

Roger

[alan_fincher]

How often would you suggest changing the fuel filter on a this engine? (hours)

Worth you downloading the Handbook itt would seem!

 

Originally BMC specified oil and oil Filters at 150 hours, and fuel filters and tappets at 300 hours.

 

I'd like to say I'm quite that conscientious, but......

[David Schweizer]

I have used the Crossland 522 for years, I get them for silly money from the local Agricultural Merchants.

 

The Thornycroft Workshop manual suggests changing them every 200 hours, but I find every 400 hours to be fine, there is never any muck in it.

Edited March 13, 2012 by David Schweizer

[Richard T]

Try stating Sherpa van circa 1986 at a Motor Factors or B series BMC engine.

For filters try the following:

Crossland 357 oil, 522 Fuel

Fram PH2857A oil, C1191PL Fuel

Halfords HOF 202 oil, HDF203 fuel.

These assume spin on oil filter.

We do an oil change at 200hrs and fuel filter at 400hrs, gearbox (PRM150) every 400 hours as the oil is very clean. Wer have started to use Marine 16 to try and beat diesel bug. This comes in a 500ml bottle which is enough for 350ltrs fuel -measuring small amounts is difficult so we bought a small graduated jug on e-bay - look in hair dressing supplies they are used for measuring peroxide and hair dyes.

ASAP carry a good range of general parts and have a quick delivery system. Hoses can be a problem as they tend to be specific to cars. Parkers of Leicester - branches near the cut in Syston and Loughborough carry a good range of hoses and other bits. Their on line ordering is not helpful better to phone or visit them. They also stock Comma oils including API CC 20/50W. We have replaced most hoses on our boat with heavy duty hydraulic hose of the right diameter - it can be a b....r to fit though with the wire reinforcement in it.

[Grace and Favour]

>>Snippity>>. Wer have started to use Marine 16 to try and beat diesel bug. This comes in a 500ml bottle which is enough for 350ltrs fuel -measuring small amounts is difficult so we bought a small graduated jug on e-bay - look in hair dressing supplies they are used for measuring peroxide and hair dyes.

>>

 

I've found the best, cheapest and most durable (fairly) accurate measuring container is a babies PET/clear plastic feeding bottle . . .

 

And they can often come with a resealable screw cap too

 

 

(I think I got mine for £1 from Tesco)

Edited March 13, 2012 by Grace & Favour

[Thewatchmaker]

Try stating Sherpa van circa 1986 at a Motor Factors or B series BMC engine.

For filters try the following:

Crossland 357 oil, 522 Fuel

Fram PH2857A oil, C1191PL Fuel

Halfords HOF 202 oil, HDF203 fuel.

These assume spin on oil filter.

We do an oil change at 200hrs and fuel filter at 400hrs, gearbox (PRM150) every 400 hours as the oil is very clean. Wer have started to use Marine 16 to try and beat diesel bug. This comes in a 500ml bottle which is enough for 350ltrs fuel -measuring small amounts is difficult so we bought a small graduated jug on e-bay - look in hair dressing supplies they are used for measuring peroxide and hair dyes.

ASAP carry a good range of general parts and have a quick delivery system. Hoses can be a problem as they tend to be specific to cars. Parkers of Leicester - branches near the cut in Syston and Loughborough carry a good range of hoses and other bits. Their on line ordering is not helpful better to phone or visit them. They also stock Comma oils including API CC 20/50W. We have replaced most hoses on our boat with heavy duty hydraulic hose of the right diameter - it can be a b....r to fit though with the wire reinforcement in it.

 

 

Early 1.8's used the Fram PH5795 spin on canister

Edited March 14, 2012 by Thewatchmaker

[bizzard]

Fram are probably the best filters of all,they've been going for donkey's years.

 

Crosland were good to as were AC Delco. Crosland i think have ceased making filters.

[Tony Brooks]

Fram are probably the best filters of all,they've been going for donkey's years.

 

Crosland were good to as were AC Delco. Crosland i think have ceased making filters.

 

 

I would now rate Mann & Hummel alongside Fram and slightly better as far as the fuel filter is concerned. M&H supply the OEM type pocket (swiss roll) fuel filters whilst Fram & Crosland supplied pleated elements.

 

Crosland are/were owned I think, by Sogefi (or some such), an Italian (again I think) company as are Fram, Coopers and Puroflex (who I think were Purolator). Now, if I had to choose a nationality most likleyt to make a reliable and durable product it would not be one from a Latin country. Hence my preference is now M&H.

[Albion]

I would now rate Mann & Hummel alongside Fram and slightly better as far as the fuel filter is concerned. M&H supply the OEM type pocket (swiss roll) fuel filters whilst Fram & Crosland supplied pleated elements.

 

Crosland are/were owned I think, by Sogefi (or some such), an Italian (again I think) company as are Fram, Coopers and Puroflex (who I think were Purolator). Now, if I had to choose a nationality most likleyt to make a reliable and durable product it would not be one from a Latin country. Hence my preference is now M&H.

Crosland were extremely good filters when they were made in Nottingham. We used to use them most of the time and you had good back up from the technical department at the factory. I thought that they were first taken over by a French company (Purflux IIRC) but, having just Googled, I see that Purflux is part of the French company Filtrauto which is itself a subdivison of Sogefi so things seem to have moved on a bit since I gave up my garage business.

I would agree that Mann and Hummel have a good quality product. I also, having been a Bosch Jectronic Agent, used Bosch filters in some numbers but I'm not sure who made them for Bosch because I don't believe that Bosch actually had their own production plant.

Roger

[aracer]

Gah, old thread resurrected just in case anybody can help quickly (though I'm also doing my own re-research). I'm halfway through an oil change on a BMC1.8 - the filter which came off is an Alco816 as mentioned on 

- the new filter I have is a Mann W713/28 but it doesn't fit - not only is it a lot smaller diameter, the thread is too large. I bought it from Eurocarparts by specifying Sherpa 1.8 1986 as recommended above.

 

What should I get instead (from ECP or Halfords preferably as I can get to either of those before they close)? What went wrong when I got a Sherpa 1986 1.8 filter?

[aracer]

phew, I think I might have solved it - tried MGB GT 1.8 on ECP instead and it's showing a Fram PH2857A amongst other options which all look right.

 

Still interested in any thoughts on why Sherpa 1.8 didn't work (and whether I've also got the wrong fuel filter).

[cuthound]

Put the filter number of the filter you took off into this website and it will provide equivalent.

 

http://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com

[Tony Brooks]

I am not altogether sure the Sherpa ever had a 1.8 like we use, but maybe early ones did. The fuel filter should be the equivalent of a CAV 296.