BMC 1.5 Oil Change Sump Pump

[nuttysailor]

I'm about to perform my first engine service for the boat I bought a few weeks ago. The oil sump pump isn't pumping the oil out of engine. I unscrewed and pulled out the handle of the brass pump and noticed that the leather washer is worn out and as a result it sucks air out rather than oil. Does anyone know where to buy these leather/rubber washers? I believe i can replace the leather 'washer' using my old leather belt but I'd rather use proper parts. I'm grateful for any advise. This is a great forum and much advice and help has been gained already from your previous posts.

 

Also would like to know what would be the best products to use to clean my rather clogged air filter (14cm round filter with holes around the side/edge)...

 

Many thanks

 

ToNi

[alan_fincher]

Can't help with washer replacement, but two things to note.....

 

1) There is sometimes a tap somewhere in the pipe between the sump connection and the plug. May sound obvious but sometimes people miss this, and are trying to pump with tap closed.

 

2) If the pump will not pump initially, it may be possible to force it to, by unscrewing the top, and tipping in some oil, to help form the seal for the initial pumping. If you can get them to start pumping oil not air, then they will usually continue to, once primed. Not really a proper fix to a naff washer, but might get you though an oil change until you can sort the root cause.

[steelaway]

I'm about to perform my first engine service for the boat I bought a few weeks ago. The oil sump pump isn't pumping the oil out of engine. I unscrewed and pulled out the handle of the brass pump and noticed that the leather washer is worn out and as a result it sucks air out rather than oil. Does anyone know where to buy these leather/rubber washers? I believe i can replace the leather 'washer' using my old leather belt but I'd rather use proper parts. I'm grateful for any advise. This is a great forum and much advice and help has been gained already from your previous posts.

 

Also would like to know what would be the best products to use to clean my rather clogged air filter (14cm round filter with holes around the side/edge)...

 

Many thanks

 

ToNi

 

 

 

Hi

 

The proper part for your pump is probably a couple of washer cut out of a leather belt!

I would use petrol to clean out the filter just take the proper precautions.

 

Alex

[nuttysailor]

Mthanks Alan, much appreciated.I'll get on the case and see if that works. Thanks

[Tony Brooks]

Hi

 

The proper part for your pump is probably a couple of washer cut out of a leather belt!

I would use petrol to clean out the filter just take the proper precautions.

 

Alex

 

 

That's what I would use but a safer answer is white spirit or paraffin. If it is badly clogged and the filter is a metal mesh having swilled it in the liquid I would carry it ashore, put it on a mooring spike and ignite it. This is the fastest way of removing the oily fluff, hair and dead spider. Do NOT try it on a foam filter

[Roxy]

Sucking oil out my BMC 1.5 weekend just gone, wrong oil filter so me engine is in bits at the mo till this weekend when I can get the correct one

 

 

Will I need to change the Sump pump aswell? what is it and where is it?

[Tony Brooks]

Sucking oil out my BMC 1.5 weekend just gone, wrong oil filter so me engine is in bits at the mo till this weekend when I can get the correct one

 

 

Will I need to change the Sump pump aswell? what is it and where is it?

 

 

As far as I can see it does not have one. They are not mandatory and the method you are using is easier and cleaner than a pump as long as you get the oil warm before you try to suck it out.

 

I would rather spend the money required to fit one on my own Pela oil extractor (but not that big one, too difficult to store on a boat).

 

Just noticed that you have the original oil filter on there. My advice would be to get a packet of gaskets and take the whole filter assembly off the engine (two bolts) then it is easy to strip, clean, fit a new seal and new element.

Edited November 22, 2011 by Tony Brooks

[Roxy]

As far as I can see it does not have one. They are not mandatory and the method you are using is easier and cleaner than a pump as long as you get the oil warm before you try to suck it out.

 

I would rather spend the money required to fit one on my own Pela oil extractor (but not that big one, too difficult to store on a boat).

 

Just noticed that you have the original oil filter on there. My advice would be to get a packet of gaskets and take the whole filter assembly off the engine (two bolts) then it is easy to strip, clean, fit a new seal and new element.

Yep thats what I did I ran the engine for 10-15mins then turned it off and got the old sucker out to get the old oil out....but my 'neighbour'' bought the wrong oil filter so I left my engine like that until this weekend, hopefully can add fresh new oil and water/antifreeze.

[David Schweizer]

As far as I can see it does not have one. They are not mandatory and the method you are using is easier and cleaner than a pump as long as you get the oil warm before you try to suck it out.

 

I would rather spend the money required to fit one on my own Pela oil extractor (but not that big one, too difficult to store on a boat).

 

Just noticed that you have the original oil filter on there. My advice would be to get a packet of gaskets and take the whole filter assembly off the engine (two bolts) then it is easy to strip, clean, fit a new seal and new element.

That is how I always do ours, except that there never has been a gasket between the filter head and the block, and there has never been a leak.

[bizzard]

Sucking oil out my BMC 1.5 weekend just gone, wrong oil filter so me engine is in bits at the mo till this weekend when I can get the correct one

 

 

Will I need to change the Sump pump aswell? what is it and where is it?

I can see a hand sump pump at top left of your pic,just ahead of the injector pump,so you could now do your own oil changes.

Pick the old oil filter sealing ring out with a large darning needle.And stick the new one up with a little grease on it.

Oil be checking progress. bizzard.

[Tony Brooks]

I can see a hand sump pump at top left of your pic,just ahead of the injector pump,so you could now do your own oil changes.

Pick the old oil filter sealing ring out with a large darning needle.And stick the new one up with a little grease on it.

Oil be checking progress. bizzard.

 

 

Blowwd if I can see such a pump.

 

Doing it that way rather depends upon the relative locations of the bottom of the filter and the engine bed. I know some boats you would only try that way once. It is no fun turning a spanner half a flat, removing it, reversing it and doing another half flat. Others are dead easy.

[Roxy]

I can see a hand sump pump at top left of your pic,just ahead of the injector pump,so you could now do your own oil changes.

Pick the old oil filter sealing ring out with a large darning needle.And stick the new one up with a little grease on it.

Oil be checking progress. bizzard.

Thats what I did had to get the old filter seal ring out with a toothpick! Sorry hadnt got a needle to hand Im learning from my neighbours and from advice on here so its much appreciated.

Oil let ya know on my progress after this weekend

[bizzard]

Blowwd if I can see such a pump.

 

Doing it that way rather depends upon the relative locations of the bottom of the filter and the engine bed. I know some boats you would only try that way once. It is no fun turning a spanner half a flat, removing it, reversing it and doing another half flat. Others are dead easy.

I'm sure its the pump with the shaft and handle pulled right up. The cars Austin A60 that those and the petrol engines were fitted to actually had a hole drilled in the suspension crossmember to receive the filter bolt head they were so tightly crammed in.The knack of them was not a problem for us mechanics though.

[Albion]

Blowwd if I can see such a pump.

 

I also can't see a pump in that location but, with extreme uncertainty, could that possibly be the typical brass handle of a sump pump just visible behind the fuel filter at the end of the head, if you look through the two parallel copper fuel pipes? It's very vague though even when you blow the picture up for a better look.

Roger

[bizzard]

Oil have to apologize chaps.With the aid of my ultra high powered magnifying glass,what looked like the pump is the injector pump fuel union and pipe.

[Tony Brooks]

I'm sure its the pump with the shaft and handle pulled right up. The cars Austin A60 that those and the petrol engines were fitted to actually had a hole drilled in the suspension crossmember to receive the filter bolt head they were so tightly crammed in.The knack of them was not a problem for us mechanics though.

 

Yeah - until the time the intermediate housing with the oil pipe on it came out of alignment - happy days.

[RobinJ]

Sucking oil out my BMC 1.5 weekend just gone, wrong oil filter so me engine is in bits at the mo till this weekend when I can get the correct one

Spotted on the photograph your using a pump that fits down the dipstick hole?

You will need to make sure the pumps pipe is fully inserted into the sump!

[WotEver]

If the pump will not pump initially, it may be possible to force it to, by unscrewing the top, and tipping in some oil, to help form the seal for the initial pumping.

That's what I do with ours. Life's too short to start dismantling and trying to manufacture new washers when a drop of oil fixes it in 5 seconds.

 

Tony

[ditchcrawler]

As far as I can see it does not have one. They are not mandatory and the method you are using is easier and cleaner than a pump as long as you get the oil warm before you try to suck it out.

 

I would rather spend the money required to fit one on my own Pela oil extractor (but not that big one, too difficult to store on a boat).

 

Just noticed that you have the original oil filter on there. My advice would be to get a packet of gaskets and take the whole filter assembly off the engine (two bolts) then it is easy to strip, clean, fit a new seal and new element.

Would one of THESE help and change it to a spinoff filter

 

I'm sure its the pump with the shaft and handle pulled right up. The cars Austin A60 that those and the petrol engines were fitted to actually had a hole drilled in the suspension crossmember to receive the filter bolt head they were so tightly crammed in.The knack of them was not a problem for us mechanics though.

No, you let the boy do it, and it was him who had the hot oil run down his arm as far as his elbow

 

I'm sure its the pump with the shaft and handle pulled right up. The cars Austin A60 that those and the petrol engines were fitted to actually had a hole drilled in the suspension crossmember to receive the filter bolt head they were so tightly crammed in.The knack of them was not a problem for us mechanics though.

No, you let the boy do it, and it was him who had the hot oil run down his arm as far as his elbow

 

Oil have to apologize chaps.With the aid of my ultra high powered magnifying glass,what looked like the pump is the injector pump fuel union and pipe.

If you want to fit a pump there is a selection HERE, but you will need a hose making up to screw into the sump drain plug.

 

Edit to say sorry for double postings

Edited November 28, 2011 by ditchcrawler

[bizzard]

Would one of THESE help and change it to a spinoff filter

 

 

No, you let the boy do it, and it was him who had the hot oil run down his arm as far as his elbow

 

 

No, you let the boy do it, and it was him who had the hot oil run down his arm as far as his elbow

 

 

If you want to fit a pump there is a selection HERE, but you will need a hose making up to screw into the sump drain plug.

 

Edit to say sorry for double postings

It was much easier to do them from the top than from underneath,as you could change the contacts in the distributor which was equally awkward next to it at an angle,you had to do them almost by feel,and set static ignition timing, at the same time.

[Bristolfashion]

I know it's an old thread, but just in case my experience is useful to anyone. My brass pump was not pumping AND I couldn't get the top off to prime.

 

The solution was to use one of those little cheapy brass hand pumps to pull oil through the fixed pump which got it primed and pumping.