RLWP Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Well, I'm first in. Tawny Owl has a BMC 1.8 with a PRM box She's OK just now, and I'm glad there is now somewhere to share knowledge on this old trooper of the canal world Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 As does Chalice. A Calcutt marinisation circa 1995 of an engine of otherwise unknown history. Box is PRM delta. I bet ours leaks more fluids than yours does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romarni123 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 We have the same, ours is quiet dont smoke or leak has never broken down and if we ever we needed parts my brother gets them at cost price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 We have the same, ours is quiet dont smoke or leak has never broken down........ Weren't you the person that said you hardly ever leave your mooring basin ? If we did that, we could probably claim similar! Actually Chalice's starts well, and is a damn sight more smoke free than most. I've given up the fluid leakage battle though, it will always preside over an engine bed that contains some randomly proportioned mix of engine oil, coolant and diesel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romarni123 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Weren't you the person that said you hardly ever leave your mooring basin ? If we did that, we could probably claim similar! Actually Chalice's starts well, and is a damn sight more smoke free than most. I've given up the fluid leakage battle though, it will always preside over an engine bed that contains some randomly proportioned mix of engine oil, coolant and diesel! Well the boat CC for 13 yrs with its first owner and 7+ years with us and not a few miles a season either we have been moored up for 12 months though but yippee we are off to stratford next week the avon the severn and the staffs and worcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicman Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 We have a BMC 1.8 installed - PRM Delta gearbox. It's given trouble free service for over fifteen years - I like the fact that I can find my way around easily, change the oil, check and tension alternator belt etc. Somehow, there's something comforting about the fact that this design has been around for ages and stood the test of time. Starts well, a little smoke on starting, a little bit of oil leaking, a little bit of smoke whilst idling in locks - but a friend none-the-less! Philip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priston Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 And a even older 2.2 for Priston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_c Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 it's a bit smokey in here!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cereal tiller Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 i have a 2.5 in my 70 footer .circa 1977. retrieved from a sunken boat ,freed up,fired up,and installed. 14 trouble free years,and it seems okay with new low sulphur fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyperson Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Oh, it's not about back cabins then? I have neither a BMC nor a BMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Just popped in to see what it's all about. Is it like the chavvy younger brother of the new Vintage Engine Forum...smoking away in bridge holes, snarling at modern engines, sneering at older ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Schweizer Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Our BMC 1.5 with PRM 260D box Edited May 26, 2011 by David Schweizer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 it's a bit smokey in here!!! Very reliable though. Here, take this gallon of paraffin and bugger off Richard Just popped in to see what it's all about. Is it like the chavvy younger brother of the new Vintage Engine Forum...smoking away in bridge holes, snarling at modern engines, sneering at older ones? No, we're going for an unbearable level of smugness. Richard And endless threads on combating vibration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 No, we're going for an unbearable level of smugness. The boat I'm hoping to buy has a BMC 2.5 so should I get down T K Maxx, and buy a shell suit or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah and Ian Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Ours is a BMC 1.8. 22 Years old fitted to a Royal Navy R&R narrowboat so guessing it was well maintained. Pretty sure it was marinised by Calcutt. Shes runs sweet as a nut bit of smoke and start up which I have been told is normal after 30 seconds or so clear as a whistle. Edited May 26, 2011 by Sarah and Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 The boat I'm hoping to buy has a BMC 2.5 so should I get down T K Maxx, and buy a shell suit or not? You'll only spoil it with spilled oil. Scruffy jeans and an old pullover is more the style Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canaldrifter Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Ours is a BMC 1.8. 22 Years old fitted to a Royal Navy R&R narrowboat so guessing it was well maintained. Pretty sure it was marinised by Calcutt. Shes runs sweet as a nut bit of smoke and start up which I have been told is normal after 30 seconds or so clear as a whistle. 2.52 BMC that came out of a floating restaurant in a hull once owned by Pink Floyd. 25 years old when fitted in 2004, and had only run for 6 hours. Smoky when cold only, but oodles of power in a 54ft boat. Oil pressure way too high, but adjusting it involves a lift out and I can't be bothered. At least the bearings are good. But the ref to the RN narrowboat is interesting. Which one and what's the history? Was it one of those once used for recruitment? Tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koukouvagia Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 As an antidote to all this BMC smugness – mine on the butty has been a pain in the neck. In the past two years I've had to buy a new starter (old one burnt itself out); a new fuel pump (bought because the engineer mis-diagnosed a blown cylinder head gasket); a re-skimmed cylinder head, reseated valves etc. (which engineer number two correctly diagnosed); a new raw water pump (whoever 'reconditioned' the engine hammered the impeller on and damaged the splines - have you ever tried getting an impeller off that's been forced on?); a new primary pump (to replace the one which disintegrated, shearing the pulley shaft); lengthy investigations to determine why it emitted clouds of white smoke (this turned out to be steam, caused by air being sucked into the raw water circuit through a leaking soldered joint in the pipework – a long story which I won't go into here). I'd be very chary about buying another BMC recon. engine – and ours from from a very reputable firm. The cylinder head had been skimmed almost to its limit; there are marks on the top of each of the pistons where the valves seem to have been making contact, (surely this isn't right?) and on one of the valves, the rim which holds the collets in place had broken off all round leaving just a tiny fraction of metal keeping them in place. Mind you then engine looked clean – lovely respray! All I can say is, give me my Kelvin, or before that, the Seffle any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canaldrifter Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 As an antidote to all this BMC smugness – mine on the butty has been a pain in the neck. In the past two years I've had to buy a new starter (old one burnt itself out); a new fuel pump (bought because the engineer mis-diagnosed a blown cylinder head gasket); a re-skimmed cylinder head, reseated valves etc. (which engineer number two correctly diagnosed); a new raw water pump (whoever 'reconditioned' the engine hammered the impeller on and damaged the splines - have you ever tried getting an impeller off that's been forced on?); a new primary pump (to replace the one which disintegrated, shearing the pulley shaft); lengthy investigations to determine why it emitted clouds of white smoke (this turned out to be steam, caused by air being sucked into the raw water circuit through a leaking soldered joint in the pipework – a long story which I won't go into here). I'd be very chary about buying another BMC recon. engine – and ours from from a very reputable firm. The cylinder head had been skimmed almost to its limit; there are marks on the top of each of the pistons where the valves seem to have been making contact, (surely this isn't right?) and on one of the valves, the rim which holds the collets in place had broken off all round leaving just a tiny fraction of metal keeping them in place. Mind you then engine looked clean – lovely respray! All I can say is, give me my Kelvin, or before that, the Seffle any day. Sad story, but it looks like you inherited a poor recon there. That can happen to any make of engine though. Conversely, mine runs fine, but it looks filthy.... Tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah and Ian Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 2.52 BMC that came out of a floating restaurant in a hull once owned by Pink Floyd. 25 years old when fitted in 2004, and had only run for 6 hours. Smoky when cold only, but oodles of power in a 54ft boat. Oil pressure way too high, but adjusting it involves a lift out and I can't be bothered. At least the bearings are good. But the ref to the RN narrowboat is interesting. Which one and what's the history? Was it one of those once used for recruitment? Tone She was called Shy Talk. She is on an old Colecraft Shell. We have a plaque on the boat somewhere when she was comissioned. And before the repaint she was lightblue with ref coach work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randwick Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Conversely, mine runs fine, but it looks filthy.... Tone So's mine, (1.5) but has run faultlessly apart from a raw water cooling pump (v. leaky bearing, now replaced) but as it's over 32 years old and has had many, many hours of long distance cruising, I'm very happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted May 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 As an antidote to all this BMC smugness – mine on the butty has been a pain in the neck. In the past two years I've had to buy a new starter (old one burnt itself out); a new fuel pump (bought because the engineer mis-diagnosed a blown cylinder head gasket); a re-skimmed cylinder head, reseated valves etc. (which engineer number two correctly diagnosed); a new raw water pump (whoever 'reconditioned' the engine hammered the impeller on and damaged the splines - have you ever tried getting an impeller off that's been forced on?); a new primary pump (to replace the one which disintegrated, shearing the pulley shaft); lengthy investigations to determine why it emitted clouds of white smoke (this turned out to be steam, caused by air being sucked into the raw water circuit through a leaking soldered joint in the pipework – a long story which I won't go into here). I'd be very chary about buying another BMC recon. engine – and ours from from a very reputable firm. The cylinder head had been skimmed almost to its limit; there are marks on the top of each of the pistons where the valves seem to have been making contact, (surely this isn't right?) and on one of the valves, the rim which holds the collets in place had broken off all round leaving just a tiny fraction of metal keeping them in place. Mind you then engine looked clean – lovely respray! All I can say is, give me my Kelvin, or before that, the Seffle any day. How much of that is actually core BMC? The cylinder head is, and could warp if the cooling was faulty. But the raw water cooling and pumps? We don't have any of that stuff Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proper Job Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Our BMC 1.5 with PRM 260D box A 260 box on a 1.5 I'm surprised that there's enough power left to rotate the prop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoominPapa Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 She was called Shy Talk. Presumably named by a geordie with a sense of humour? MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah and Ian Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Thats why we renamed her. Its a slang naval expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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