soldthehouse Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 What are the recognised limits of navigation for full length narrowboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillie Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) There is a list of Craft & lock dimensions of Jim Sheads site...here Craft & Lock dimensions I find the amount of back breaking work I had to do this July blacking our 70 ft boat a bit of a limitation to me ever doing it again!! Edited October 3, 2010 by Gillie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottle Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Or the 'official' document here: http://www.waterscape.com/things-to-do/boating/useful-downloads left hand column, Plan a Cruise, Waterway Dimensions (it is a document file so you will need an 'office' program to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldthehouse Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 There is a list of Craft & lock dimensions of Jim Sheads site...here Craft & Lock dimensions I find the amount of back breaking work I had to do this July blacking our 70 ft boat a bit of a limitation to me ever doing it again!! Thanks. Or the 'official' document here: http://www.waterscape.com/things-to-do/boating/useful-downloads left hand column, Plan a Cruise, Waterway Dimensions (it is a document file so you will need an 'office' program to read it. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 What are the recognised limits of navigation for full length narrowboats Ok so the post is a wind up right ?.............narrowboats are all 70 feet or more surely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottle Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Go and play with your cassette(s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmelly Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Go and play with your cassette(s) How ya doin dooooooooood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie patrick Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 As it's you STH, I assume it's not a wind up... Staring from the North west Ruffird Branch Leeds and liverpool, max 62 feet at 14 foot beam. May get a 66 foot narrow boat through. This cuts the Ribble Link and The Lancaster off, even though they can take seventy footers L and L main line, same length restriction from Wigan lock 21 (the first above the Junction with the Leigh Branch) to River Lock Leeds, therefore no east west passage from Leeds to Wigan River Ouse/Ure 57 feet wide beam from Linton Lock north, prob get a 60 foot narrow boat through. Dead end at Ripon Not sure about Castle Mills Lock, York Derwent, notionally 55 feet wide beam but academic as Sutton Lock now derelict. Pocklington Canal: notionally 55 feet wide beam (60 narrow?), sone ene else may know Beverley Beck, 65 foot wide beam, and 70 foot narrow beam that gets there will get through Driffield, 60 foot wide beam, 63, 64 narrow? Ancholme, Harlem Hill Lock, 69 feet widebeam, you'll get through if you're determined enough to get there. Calder and Hebble/ Huddersfield Broad above Broad Cut, 57 foot widebeam, 60 footers have got through but no more. cuts off east west via Rochdale and Huddersfield SSYN, allegedly 61 feet above Rotherham BUT a 72 foot GU narrow Boat got to Tinsley Bottom Lock. BW probably won't let you try now. Thorne Lock. A Thorne in your side. You can reach it from Keadby, you an reach it from Bramwith via Goole, but you can't go through it... Then you are into Grand Sluice Boston, can only pass on the level Salters Lode: Only on the Level Welches Dam, somewhat academic, as it's closed and the Old Bedord River above probably impassible Brandon? lock, Little Ouse. Bloody silly at about 40 feet If you crane your boat out the Brecon and Abergavenny locks are only 64 feet long, and the Broads have length limits in their bye laws... Big Thing is that, north of the Trent and Mersey, you can't cross the pennines.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldthehouse Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 As it's you STH, I assume it's not a wind up... Staring from the North west Ruffird Branch Leeds and liverpool, max 62 feet at 14 foot beam. May get a 66 foot narrow boat through. This cuts the Ribble Link and The Lancaster off, even though they can take seventy footers L and L main line, same length restriction from Wigan lock 21 (the first above the Junction with the Leigh Branch) to River Lock Leeds, therefore no east west passage from Leeds to Wigan River Ouse/Ure 57 feet wide beam from Linton Lock north, prob get a 60 foot narrow boat through. Dead end at Ripon Not sure about Castle Mills Lock, York Derwent, notionally 55 feet wide beam but academic as Sutton Lock now derelict. Pocklington Canal: notionally 55 feet wide beam (60 narrow?), sone ene else may know Beverley Beck, 65 foot wide beam, and 70 foot narrow beam that gets there will get through Driffield, 60 foot wide beam, 63, 64 narrow? Ancholme, Harlem Hill Lock, 69 feet widebeam, you'll get through if you're determined enough to get there. Calder and Hebble/ Huddersfield Broad above Broad Cut, 57 foot widebeam, 60 footers have got through but no more. cuts off east west via Rochdale and Huddersfield SSYN, allegedly 61 feet above Rotherham BUT a 72 foot GU narrow Boat got to Tinsley Bottom Lock. BW probably won't let you try now. Thorne Lock. A Thorne in your side. You can reach it from Keadby, you an reach it from Bramwith via Goole, but you can't go through it... Then you are into Grand Sluice Boston, can only pass on the level Salters Lode: Only on the Level Welches Dam, somewhat academic, as it's closed and the Old Bedord River above probably impassible Brandon? lock, Little Ouse. Bloody silly at about 40 feet If you crane your boat out the Brecon and Abergavenny locks are only 64 feet long, and the Broads have length limits in their bye laws... Big Thing is that, north of the Trent and Mersey, you can't cross the pennines.. Thanks for taking the time for that reply. Ive had the hots for a boat for a while even though I,m building my own. the one I fancy is 70ft and wouldnt shorten easily and I wouldnt want to anyway, the one I,m building will cure my building enthusiasm. We are up north obviously and its all a matter of whether we want to spend our time that far away from family in the first years of casting off. Thanks again for reply, Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Thanks for taking the time for that reply. Ive had the hots for a boat for a while even though I,m building my own. the one I fancy is 70ft and wouldnt shorten easily and I wouldnt want to anyway, the one I,m building will cure my building enthusiasm. We are up north obviously and its all a matter of whether we want to spend our time that far away from family in the first years of casting off. Thanks again for reply, Stuart Hi Stuart - 70ft will indeed restrict you from cruising on some of the northern system - including the L&L, Ripon and the Calder and Hebble but if like us you don't mind travelling to the start of your cruise 70ft will be fine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldthehouse Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) Hi Stuart - 70ft will indeed restrict you from cruising on some of the northern system - including the L&L, Ripon and the Calder and Hebble but if like us you don't mind travelling to the start of your cruise 70ft will be fine.... Thanks Martin, I suspect the first few years will be spent wandering aimlessly so it may not be an issue and the boat I,m building I wont be able to sell for five years anyway and the children could use that, I was just interested on how limiting it actually is. Stuart Did you get out alone Edited October 3, 2010 by soldthehouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Did you get out alone http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?app=blog&module=display§ion=blog&blogid=169&showentry=1030 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Thanks for taking the time for that reply. Ive had the hots for a boat for a while even though I,m building my own. the one I fancy is 70ft and wouldnt shorten easily and I wouldnt want to anyway, the one I,m building will cure my building enthusiasm. If it's the one I think you could be talking about, the fact that it is 70 feet long might not prove to be the biggest thing you need to be thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldthehouse Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 If it's the one I think you could be talking about, the fact that it is 70 feet long might not prove to be the biggest thing you need to be thinking about. Mums the word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) Mums the word Surely not a wide beam or one of those old fashioned deep draughted working boats?? I fear you have gone over to the dark side... too many to's edit... .. Edited October 3, 2010 by MJG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeping Up Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 (edited) For completeness I feel I should add to Magpie Patrick's excellent list, two other locks that we have seen this year: Reach Lode sluice, on the Burwell Lode where it meets the River Cam. It's about 62 ft I believe, I know we couldn't fit 67ft into it. That's the one where we'd been messing about to try and find a way to fit when after 10 minutes I spotted the sign that said the guillotine would descend automatically after 15 minutes. Lode's End lock near Ramsey on the Middle Level - in theory you can't get a 70 footer through there as it's nominally 68 ft long. Our 67ft fitted easily, especially as when we got there the levels were equal and we could open both ends at once like this. Oh and the lock on the Little Ouse near Brandon is Brandon Lock. Here's what happens if you try to fit a 67 footer into it. Edited October 3, 2010 by Keeping Up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 There is a list of Craft & lock dimensions of Jim Sheads site...here Craft & Lock dimensions I find the amount of back breaking work I had to do this July blacking our 70 ft boat a bit of a limitation to me ever doing it again!! I thought I blacked the boat and you painted the nice red and white stripes on the back bit!! But seriously: Blacking is hard work however long the boat, a lot of effort goes into the ends... But 70 foot is a very big boat to look after. You have to be very careful in locks, there is a lot more to go wrong. A very large part of the system will take a 70 foot boat. Single handing is very difficult. There is something very nice about 70 footers, I would not have anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykaskin Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Not sure about Castle Mills Lock, York Beverley Beck, 65 foot wide beam, and 70 foot narrow beam that gets there will get through Driffield, 60 foot wide beam, 63, 64 narrow? Driffield, 62 foot original, but some locks a bit longer. Struncheon Hill will take a full length GU boat (71.5 feet): but needed the extra space over the cill. We could get the bow over, but not the stern, so had to come down backwards. Could turn top and bottom of the lock. Should be no problems with high river levels, but a problem on neaps. Beverley Beck will take unlimited length when on the level. and plenty of room in Castle Mills: Cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) I thought I blacked the boat and you painted the nice red and white stripes on the back bit!! But seriously: Blacking is hard work however long the boat, a lot of effort goes into the ends... But 70 foot is a very big boat to look after. You have to be very careful in locks, there is a lot more to go wrong. A very large part of the system will take a 70 foot boat. Single handing is very difficult. There is something very nice about 70 footers, I would not have anything else. I'm not sure I agree with the bits in red. Tawny Owl is very well behaved in locks, even if you whip both paddles up straight away. And she's the only boat I've ever single handed, and again I found her easy to deal with. In many ways it's easier because much of the system around our way was built for boats that size. Richard Edited October 4, 2010 by RLWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casper ghost Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Haven't you got to at least finish the one your doing now first.. Your suffering from the main hurdle to boat building, not stopping until you've finished... Casp' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 As it's you STH, I assume it's not a wind up... <Snip) Big Thing is that, north of the Trent and Mersey, you can't cross the pennines.. You can croos the Pennines on the Rochdale in a 70' boat but you will have to come back the same way! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie patrick Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 You can croos the Pennines on the Rochdale in a 70' boat but you will have to come back the same way! Tim True of the Huddersfield as well, You an engineer by any chance... that information was technically correct but not exactly useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Lewis Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) True of the Huddersfield as well, You an engineer by any chance... that information was technically correct but not exactly useful Am confused, did I dream that we have taken Fulbourne (71' 6") over the Rochdale? In case you are womdering there are pictures at: http://www.fulbourne.org.uk/rc0802/Index.html http://www.fulbourne.org.uk/rc0902/Index.html Tim [ Edited October 4, 2010 by Tim Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB Alton Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Yes the Rochdale is well worth the Journey on a 70' (or even 71' 6") boat that summit pound especially is spectacular even if you do have to retrace your route. As for the Huddersfield, the restrictions are a bit more complex inluding width 6'10" not 7' and then air draft / profile and to some degree draft / determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie patrick Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Am confused, did I dream that we have taken Fulbourne (71' 6") over the Rochdale? In case you are womdering there are pictures at: http://www.fulbourne.org.uk/rc0802/Index.html http://www.fulbourne.org.uk/rc0902/Index.html Tim [ No, you are not dreaming. I have done the same with Ripple on The Huddersfield What I am saying (and you are deliberately avoiding) is that if, for example, you are in Manchester and wish to go the Aire and Calder, you have to via the Trent and Mersey, and having got to Leeds or Wakefield, your only way back is via the Trent. The country effectively gets cut in half north of Fradley Junction This considerably reduces the attraction of a seventy footer in Northern England, especially on the Yorkshire side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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