Breasting up..???

[mayalld]

What a load of tosh

I am now of the opinion now, that you and cotswolds man must live very sad lives.

What ever happend to socialising with your fellow boaters. You should try it!!

For a mariad of reasons people can find them selves in a position of not being able to find a mooring.

I would certainly expect to be able to breast up at Upton on Seven and I am sure 99% of my fellow boaters would be quite happy to allow it.

We would have a chat, a drink and have a thoroughly good time - you're missing out mate.

But if you must - you go and hide away inside - looking out your windows.

 

Alex

I fully accept that there are parts of the system where mooring opportunities are so limited that breasting up is necessary, because cruising on to the next mooring is simply not an option. The Severn is one such case.

 

I don't believe that I have ever said that I would object if it is actually impossible to get to another mooring.

 

It isn't about leading a sad life. I enjoy a drink and a chat with other boaters, but that doesn't mean that I want to have the company of other boaters all the time. The ability to retreat into your own space is nice too, and last time I checked, it is possible to have a drink with a boater without breasing up to them!

 

I'm a little dissapointed in you Alex. Not because you have weighed in on the pro-breasting side (everybody can have an opinion), but because in doing so, you have decided not to argue the case for the merits or otherwise of breasting up, but have joined in with the personal attacks on anybody who doesn't see it your way.

[alan_fincher]

But if you must - you go and hide away inside - looking out your windows.

 

In this case this thread could yet move to the good old staple of "windows versus portholes".

 

"Portholes are better, because you can't see who you are breasted against", for example!

[mayalld]

I've been told off for this before, but imagine I'm a football ref. Sorry Phylis, yellow card. The waterways you cruise are not typical of the ones most boaters have access to. And Dave, good to see you back, but not all waterways are narrow canals, yellow for you too, albeit you were provoked

 

We have not yet had to breast up on the G and S, but we nearly always have to breast up on the Severn. There is probably less than 500 yards of moorings in 42 miles of river. Dave's "I would rather you didn't" just doesn't wash. I really have no choice, having moored at Upton at 1pm and been the fourth out from the bank. Eight abreast is not unknown.

 

Patrick, if my argument was that breasting was not possible, your yellow card would be fair enough.

 

However, that has never been my argument.

 

My argument is that breasting up is an invasion of privacy, and that it can only be justified by necessity, not expedience.

 

I fully accept that on the severn, with limited moorings and lock closing times, a boater can find it impossible to find a single mooring, and in such cases, it would be petty to refuse.

 

However, if we were to consider Marple; If Marple is full (and it often is), there are always going to be other moorings withing a mile that could be used instead, and it would be perfectly reasonable to refuse. It is possible to breast up at Marple, but it is rarely done.

[Chertsey]

What a load of tosh

I am now of the opinion now, that you and cotswolds man must live very sad lives.

What ever happend to socialising with your fellow boaters. You should try it!!

For a mariad of reasons people can find them selves in a position of not being able to find a mooring.

I would certainly expect to be able to breast up at Upton on Seven and I am sure 99% of my fellow boaters would be quite happy to allow it.

We would have a chat, a drink and have a thoroughly good time - you're missing out mate.

But if you must - you go and hide away inside - looking out your windows.

 

Alex

There's other boaters and there's other boaters. Even the most enthusiastic breaster-upper must surely concede that there are -at least hypothetically - people they would rather not be in close proximity to. Now that may be only a tiny proportion, but I would still rather reserve the right to decide for myself whom I invite to breast up, rather than the presumption being that anyone should be able to. That way I get to make new friends and enjoy good company without being pressured into the position of putting up with bad.

[Liam]

Can I just politely remind people that you can put your opinions across without the need to be offensive to others. That will get you nowhere.

 

Thanks

[Guest wanted]

I said earlier that I didn't have an opinion on this, turns out I do!

 

From what I see, nobody is arguing that if there is no alternative then breasting up is an unavoidable occurrence. Some people are saying they don't mind it and some are saying that they don't want it, and some are saying they'd like to choose.

 

Surely the easiest way would be to ask the person who you intend to breast up to? if the mind then why would you want to strap yourself to them anyway? If I asked somebody if I could breast up and they politely said no then I really wouldn't be put out, I wouldn’t want to stay there as an unwelcome guest. If they were rude on the other hand........

[luctor et emergo]

Looks easy to me.

 

 

I need to moor up, because we are running out of day light.

 

I choose a spot were I can moor on my own. That is what i like.

 

There is no space for me to moor on my own. Bollocks. I have to breast up. I don't want to breast up. I want to be on my own. But unfortunately, due to circumstances, I have to.

 

 

There you go. Same goes the other way. I don't want you brerasting up to me. But if you have to, just do so. Acknowledge the fact, and live with it.

 

 

Just don't tell me that I can't moor up, just because you like a view from your window...

[Evo]

Well the original intention was to sort of test the water on how the cross section of boaters on here felt about breasting up and wether or not all that time ago we had just happened by chance on a nice couple. It seems there are strong views and you have to be careful who you approach. Sometimes I've been nicely moored up and set for the night when I see someone cruise up late - say a family on a hire boat - who have no idea wether an area has a reputation for difficult moorings or not. I actually feel sorry for them and would willingly allow them to attach to me if it was posible. I couldn't just sit there gloating watching them struggle on into the night. I know what that feels like, probably because I dont organise my life... I know one thing though, I've yet to come unstuck by helping people.

[luctor et emergo]

Something else to consider...

 

Heavens forbiid, you might actaly meet some nice people, to spend a nice evening with...

 

 

 

I have so far spend some time along the towpath, talking to boaters. I don't have my own boat to hand yet (as she is still in Stone), but all boaters were very welcoming, and I have yet to meet a face to face boater who gives me a mouthfull.....

 

[Tim]

Anyone know where I can get some of the 'welcome to moor alongside' stickers?

[Bones]

Anyone know where I can get some of the 'welcome to moor alongside' stickers?

i got mine from the EA so you could give them a ring. I have seen hand made ones too. I do have a spare so pm me your address and i will put it in the post if you like. Edited July 15, 2010 by Bones

[cotswoldsman]

What a load of tosh

I am now of the opinion now, that you and cotswolds man must live very sad lives.

What ever happend to socialising with your fellow boaters. You should try it!!

For a mariad of reasons people can find them selves in a position of not being able to find a mooring.

I would certainly expect to be able to breast up at Upton on Seven and I am sure 99% of my fellow boaters would be quite happy to allow it.

We would have a chat, a drink and have a thoroughly good time - you're missing out mate.

But if you must - you go and hide away inside - looking out your windows.

 

Alex

 

i might well live a very sad life but that is my choice. I moved onto a boat a few years after I retired because of many years in business having to be in the company of people everyday I wanted a quite life, I am very happy in my own company and in the company of people I chose to socialise with. When I went through Upton on Severn I decided I did not want to stop as it involved breasting up and I did not want to, that was my choice, but then again I had left Worcester early enough to allow time to get to Tewkesbury should I not be able to moor at Upton. I don't feel like I am missing out on anything, and will continue to chose my own people to socialise with.

[Bones]

Well the original intention was to sort of test the water on how the cross section of boaters on here felt about breasting up and wether or not all that time ago we had just happened by chance on a nice couple. It seems there are strong views and you have to be careful who you approach. Sometimes I've been nicely moored up and set for the night when I see someone cruise up late - say a family on a hire boat - who have no idea wether an area has a reputation for difficult moorings or not. I actually feel sorry for them and would willingly allow them to attach to me if it was posible. I couldn't just sit there gloating watching them struggle on into the night. I know what that feels like, probably because I dont organise my life... I know one thing though, I've yet to come unstuck by helping people.

I have often seen people looking as though they really want/need to moor up. In such cases i always wave them over to moor alongside if they wanted. Sometimes they do. The look of relief at being able to tells it all.

[mayalld]

Looks easy to me.

 

 

I need to moor up, because we are running out of day light.

 

Do you?

 

It is perfectly possible, and very enjoyable to cruise after dark.

[romarni123]

Something else to consider...

 

Heavens forbiid, you might actaly meet some nice people, to spend a nice evening with...

 

 

 

I have so far spend some time along the towpath, talking to boaters. I don't have my own boat to hand yet (as she is still in Stone), but all boaters were very welcoming, and I have yet to meet a face to face boater who gives me a mouthfull.....

 

 

Give it time

[Bones]

Do you?

 

It is perfectly possible, and very enjoyable to cruise after dark.

I have on occasion had to moor up. Either there is an emergency, i am suddenly overcome with exhaustion or illness or something has happened. It is hard to communicate to the person on the bank the exact reason for wanting to stop but if i need to then i hope i will be met with a kind spirit.

 

Give it time

one of our water points is on a corner and i was so amazed when a boat went past and didnt offer some form of abuse that i nearly fell over. Edited July 15, 2010 by Bones

[mayalld]

I have on occasion had to moor up. Either there is an emergency, i am suddenly overcome with exhaustion or illness or something has happened. It is hard to communicate to the person on the bank the exact reason for wanting to stop but if i need to then i hope i will be met with a kind spirit.

 

It may be hard for you to communicate it, but IME it is usually obvious whether the person NEEDS to moor up, or WANTS to moor up.

 

I would always be sympathetic to a need to moor up, but not to somebody who simply wants to moor somewhere because it is convenient for them (and bugger how inconvenient it is for anybody else).

[romarni123]

I would only breast up in a dire emergency,I am neither sad misarable or grumpy, but I would find it uncomfortable having to listen to other peoples conversations or having to speak to people I dont know just because they are breasted up to our boat.Breasting up on rivers is differant,but oh so funny when you pull up beside a nice big gin palace and ask if you can breast up, the look on their face says it all

[Naughty Cal]

I would only breast up in a dire emergency,I am neither sad misarable or grumpy, but I would find it uncomfortable having to listen to other peoples conversations or having to speak to people I dont know just because they are breasted up to our boat.Breasting up on rivers is differant,but oh so funny when you pull up beside a nice big gin palace and ask if you can breast up, the look on their face says it all

 

You dont need to listen to other peoples conversations when they are in their boat. Just because you are moored on the side of their boat it doesnt mean you have to go and sit on their lap and listen to every word they say.

 

Your post contradicts itself. If you would only raft up in a dire emergency why would you have asked a "gin palace" if you may raft up to them. I suspect you have not and are just trying to look as though you have tried rafting up but been sent away. Lying isnt a good look dear especially when its done so badly.

 

Do you?

 

It is perfectly possible, and very enjoyable to cruise after dark.

 

Not all insurance policies allow cruising after dark though.

 

i might well live a very sad life but that is my choice. I moved onto a boat a few years after I retired because of many years in business having to be in the company of people everyday I wanted a quite life, I am very happy in my own company and in the company of people I chose to socialise with. When I went through Upton on Severn I decided I did not want to stop as it involved breasting up and I did not want to, that was my choice, but then again I had left Worcester early enough to allow time to get to Tewkesbury should I not be able to moor at Upton. I don't feel like I am missing out on anything, and will continue to chose my own people to socialise with.

 

If you chose boating for a quiet life, you chose the wrong passtime. The waterways are becoming more and more congested, it is inevitable that you are going to have to share your "quiet life" with others at some point or another.

 

It is fortunate however, that most people afloat recognise that sometimes it is necessary to share the waterways and the moorings avaliable.

[cotswoldsman]

You dont need to listen to other peoples conversations when they are in their boat. Just because you are moored on the side of their boat it doesnt mean you have to go and sit on their lap and listen to every word they say.

 

Your post contradicts itself. If you would only raft up in a dire emergency why would you have asked a "gin palace" if you may raft up to them. I suspect you have not and are just trying to look as though you have tried rafting up but been sent away. Lying isnt a good look dear especially when its done so badly.

 

 

 

Not all insurance policies allow cruising after dark though.

 

Can see no contradiction myself...

Calling someone a liar based on one post is not great especially when he says breasting up on a river is normal.

 

If you chose boating for a quiet life, you chose the wrong passtime. The waterways are becoming more and more congested, it is inevitable that you are going to have to share your "quiet life" with others at some point or another.

 

Well have enjoyed a quite life for three years now chose my waterways and mooring spots carefully.

[Naughty Cal]

Can see no contradiction myself...

Calling someone a liar based on one post is not great especially when he says breasting up on a river is normal.

 

Read it again. How can you (not you but the poster in question) say in one sentence that they wouldnt raft up except in a dire emergency, yet in the following sentence say that it is fun to watch cruiser owners faces when you want to raft up to them.

 

Just doesnt ring true now does it?

 

If you choose your waterways carefully, why were you on the Severn where it is common knowledge that you will have to raft up?

[alan_fincher]

Not all insurance policies allow cruising after dark though.

Unless you can prove otherwise, for private inland boats, I believe that statement is probably a bit of an urban myth.

 

It's true that most, (but not all), hire boat companies do not allow it, but I think that's about as far as it goes.

 

I looked at quite a few sample policies when we first chose our insurance, and can't remember that restriction in any of them.

[cotswoldsman]

Read it again. How can you (not you but the poster in question) say in one sentence that they wouldnt raft up except in a dire emergency, yet in the following sentence say that it is fun to watch cruiser owners faces when you want to raft up to them.

 

Just doesnt ring true now does it?

 

If you choose your waterways carefully, why were you on the Severn where it is common knowledge that you will have to raft up?

Maybe he was on a River and had to breast up. I think calling someone a liar based on one post shows your lack of understanding how to conduct a debate.

I was on the Severn in order to get to that well known quite canal called The Gloucester and Sharpness Canal. I stoped twice on the Severn and never had the need to breast up and yes both places were pleasantly quite.

[romarni123]

Read it again. How can you (not you but the poster in question) say in one sentence that they wouldnt raft up except in a dire emergency, yet in the following sentence say that it is fun to watch cruiser owners faces when you want to raft up to them.

 

Just doesnt ring true now does it?

 

If you choose your waterways carefully, why were you on the Severn where it is common knowledge that you will have to raft up?

 

Grow up phylis, your stupid post show a great lack of maturity. Its a well known fact that most times you have to breast up on rivers, you do not have to breast up on canals it is your choice whether to or not, just as its the other boaters choice whether to let you,

[Naughty Cal]

Grow up phylis, your stupid post show a great lack of maturity. Its a well known fact that most times you have to breast up on rivers, you do not have to breast up on canals it is your choice whether to or not, just as its the other boaters choice whether to let you,

 

So have you or have you not requested to raft up to a "gin palace"?

 

 

 

Maybe he was on a River and had to breast up. I think calling someone a liar based on one post shows your lack of understanding how to conduct a debate.

I was on the Severn in order to get to that well known quite canal called The Gloucester and Sharpness Canal. I stoped twice on the Severn and never had the need to breast up and yes both places were pleasantly quite.

 

It isnt a lack of understanding, it is reading a post and picking out that what was said from one sentence to the next really doesnt add up.

 

You cant say one thing with one sentence and with the one immediatley following it say something completely different and then expect others to believe it. Sorry i just dont believe it.