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Ralph Claydon

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Naughty Cal Veteran II

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It's dyed red now. The natural colour for diesel is clear.

 

Yes, i know that.

 

Red Diesel/Gas oil is a different spec to road diesel. They are just doing away with the lower grade diesel and dying road diesel red. (And most probably upping the price again)

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What a double act: Phylis & Philistine.

 

 

Yes... but at around the same time they are trying to incorporate a higher percentage of Bio to be in what's available... some say up to 20% Bio !!!

 

The trouble with Bio is it is much more hygroscopic than regular diesel as we know it, so the diesel in tanks that are not turned over every few days like in a Rep's Mondeo, but sit in a e.g. a boats 200+ litre tank and takes maybe several months to turn over, will have ever increasing proportions of water in the fuel.

This, as we know, comes from condensation in our tanks and also our canalside suppliers tanks, but being now hygroscopic in nature is actively looking for moisture to absorb, so the problem is set to be much worse than initially it seems.

 

This extra water getting more quickly in the diesel, even in non-condensating summer months, will not only increase the possibility (likelyhood?) of diesel bug, but will also not be liked by highly-tuned (road) engines which are sensitive to composition of the fuel ( which is why white is a better fuel than red currently) and on even old engines, the injectors really do not like having a watery diesel sitting in them for perhaps months on end corroding away whatever it feels like, and spares for the older engines are not always easy to come by. Perhaps one answer may be to have much smaller tanks that are filled regularly, so the fuel is always no more than a few weeks old ? However, many lay boats up for winter, maybe several months, which is damp by nature anyway, and the fuel is all the time sucking in the passing moisture....

 

I know car engine manufacturers are trying to work with the oil companies to arrive at a satisfactory compromise / solution, but it may be more of a compromise than a solution and might involve re-designs of e.g injector pumps and injectors using more corrosion-resistant materials - not the best news for existing owners of machinery designed to run on current fuels and perhaps worrying for the fewer owners of engines for which there are no spares... :lol:

 

Progress ? Don't know - perhaps the land is better used for growing edible crops ?

 

Nick

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Big COL Proficient

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Soon be crimbo and we can all play Chinese whispers :lol:

Any hard facts to substantiate such statements, any murmurings of where the gas oil surplus will be going perhaps to a country that doesn't give a tinker's cuss about greenhouse effect, global warming, or any of the green issues.

Cheap fuel for them and their industries, talk about giving people bullets to fire back at you, they will be in full production making products for us because we can't compete and by then will only be able to afford to buy cheap imports.

I have seen this in operation, some years ago due to public and government pressure the poultry industry voluntarily agreed to stop using any animal byproducts IE bone meal, feather meal, in the production of chicken feed.This caused a huge increase in the price of poultry food and subsequently forced the price of poultry up. Never mind this is what the British public wanted.

This action caused a surplus of bone meal and feather meal to accumulate, this surplus was sold off to the far east who then started to produce huge quantities of very cheap chicken and lo and behold guess what, a large British supermarket imported this cheap chicken, grown with byproducts that the British public didn't want and sold these chickens to THEM causing the British poultry industry to collapse.

You can call me a cynic but believe me go live it first and see how it feels to know what's happening and not be able to do a thing about it, Government's response comes under the heading of market forces. Ostrich syndrome nearer the truth.

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The trouble with Bio is it is much more hygroscopic than regular diesel as we know it, so the diesel in tanks that are not turned over every few days like in a Rep's Mondeo, but sit in a e.g. a boats 200+ litre tank and takes maybe several months to turn over, will have ever increasing proportions of water in the fuel.

 

 

Nick

 

200 litres, several months, i wish :lol:

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Personally I vote we move to a stage where the only stuff you can buy is the old high sulphur stuff that stops bloody Eberspachers making their incessant noise that little bit sooner! :lol:

Good plan

 

The trouble is, this new stuff may mean that the rocket motors can last longer between de-cokes :lol:

 

Maybe the Hyro watsits can rot them out :lol:

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"up to 20% Bio !!!" "perhaps the land is better used for growing edible crops ?"

 

I doubt it would be either economically viable or even physically possible to produce that much bio-fuel. Sucking the ready made stuff out of the ground is much easier!

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It'll be ok because we can all burn the wood from the new forests that we are going to plant all over the countryside to absorbe the carbon clicky.

 

Hang on.... Where are we going to grow the Bio fuel then :lol:

No, what we will do is burn fossil fuels to light up whole cities full of office blocks 24-7, decorate entire streets with fairy lights for 2 months of the year for "christmas", floodlight monuments and fly around all over the world. Then when the climate is utterly stuffed we will blame the government.

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No, what we will do is burn fossil fuels to light up whole cities full of office blocks 24-7, decorate entire streets with fairy lights for 2 months of the year for "christmas", floodlight monuments and fly around all over the world. Then when the climate is utterly stuffed we will blame the government.

But you can't blame the government...... They're planting trees :lol:

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