gab Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 hi everyone!! this might sound thick, but, i want to get a dinghy and go along the River Soar this summer, its pretty much a spur of the moment thing, do i need any kind of licence/permission/permit to do this???? Please help!! thank yooo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldairbear Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Hi Yes you will need a licence; application forms can be obtained from the waterscape web pages or from a waterway office or even some boatyards/marinas. The licence for a portable unpowered craft is £37.22 (33.50 if purchased in advance) for 12 months. unpowered craft which are not portable attract the same licence fee as powered boats. alternatively you can purchase short term licences in multiples of 1 day/1week/1month 1 day river only for portable unpowered craft = £2.09 but has to be purchased in advance or on the day again available as above. Hope this helps and hope you enjoy your boating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 If your dinghy is a 'Tender to..." what is the licensing requirement? How big can a tender be and how near to the mothership must it be to remain legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetman Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 In sight of the mothership maybe? I read that somewhere. At the end of the day there will be no enforcement if an unlicensed dinghy is used in a local area and wheeled round locks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Bear Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 On EA Waterways eg The Great Ouse, where I moor, the tender also has to be licensed at the same rate as a separate vessel of its class - except that it is not given its own unique registration number, it is given the "parent boats number/tender" on the licence which must be stuck on it somewhere. On the Great Ouse system a small dinghy would be a "Manually propelled vessel up to 5m in length". It can have an auxiliary engine ie outboard of not more than 4HP at no extra cost. This year's fee is £19.98. The only issue as to how far it can go from the parent vessel etc relates to marina fees. Some marinas will charge for it if it is left in the water - and/or charge for the extra length of the parent boat if it is hanging off the back end. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 At the end of the day there will be no enforcement if an unlicensed dinghy is used in a local area and wheeled round locks. Does that mean it's ok to licence dodge if you've only got a small boat? If your dinghy is a 'Tender to..." what is the licensing requirement? How big can a tender be and how near to the mothership must it be to remain legal? BW told me that a "tender to...." disc is only issued to river only licences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJM Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 "BW told me that a "tender to...." disc is only issued to river only licences" Sounds logical - it is hard to think why you would need a tender on a canal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 "BW told me that a "tender to...." disc is only issued to river only licences" Sounds logical - it is hard to think why you would need a tender on a canal. You should try doing the Ashby, drawing over 3'. Sometimes we were moored so far from the towpath a plank just wasn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gab Posted May 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 thank you, but im still a little confused as i have emailed a few other people and this is one of their replies Hello Gabrielle, You do not need any kind of license or permission unless you use a motor. Then you need to have your dinghy registered. Let us know if you have other questions. Amanda so im still abit unsure, is this tru or not?? many thanks for your help. Gabrielle. HiYes you will need a licence; application forms can be obtained from the waterscape web pages or from a waterway office or even some boatyards/marinas. The licence for a portable unpowered craft is £37.22 (33.50 if purchased in advance) for 12 months. unpowered craft which are not portable attract the same licence fee as powered boats. alternatively you can purchase short term licences in multiples of 1 day/1week/1month 1 day river only for portable unpowered craft = £2.09 but has to be purchased in advance or on the day again available as above. Hope this helps and hope you enjoy your boating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denboy Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 direct from waterscape Portable unpowered £37.22 (see below) Prompt payment £33.50 The price for all other unpowered craft is the same as for powered boats. PRIVATE PLEASURE BOAT LONG TERM LICENCE FEES 3, 6 or 12 MONTHS: ENGLAND & WALES: CANALS & RIVERS & RIVERS ONLY VALID FROM 1 APRIL 2008 TO 31 MARCH 2009 Licences begin on the first day of the month. Prices include VAT at 17.5%, calculated on the prompt payment rate. The Licence is a legally binding contract, subject to the Terms and Conditions contained in this document. Licence fees for boats longer than 22.5m available on request. For our Refund Policy please refer to the Terms & Conditions. ‘Portable’ means that the Boat’s normal crew can, without mechanical help, launch the Boat and take it out of the water. Examples are rowing boats, dinghies, canoes or light inflatable craft. British Waterways Customer Service Centre 64 Clarendon Road, Watford WD17 1DA T 01923 201 120 (Lines open Mon-Fri 8am-6pm, Sat 9am-1pm) F 01923 201 304 enquiries.hq@britishwaterways.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 thank you, but im still a little confused as i have emailed a few other people and this is one of their replies Hello Gabrielle, You do not need any kind of license or permission unless you use a motor. Then you need to have your dinghy registered. Let us know if you have other questions. Amanda so im still abit unsure, is this tru or not?? many thanks for your help. Gabrielle. Who are the "other people", and specifically Amanda ? I think Amanda is definitely wrong! If Amanda works for British Waterways, she should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Who are the "other people", and specifically Amanda ? I think Amanda is definitely wrong! If Amanda works for British Waterways, she should know better. If it's Amanda Strang, Customer Services, then she left BW a couple of years ago. Then again I've received correspondance from dead former BW employees, so nothing would surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gab Posted May 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 erm i canct actually remeber what website i got it from but her email is info@soar1.com so im guessing its something to do with one of the river soar websites lol!! thanks 4 clearing that up 4 me. Who are the "other people", and specifically Amanda ? I think Amanda is definitely wrong! If Amanda works for British Waterways, she should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlt Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Soar1.com is a canoe site so they may have assumed the rules for dinghies are the same as canoes. If you are a member of the British Canoe Union, your membership counts as a licence (sadly not for your Motor and Butty pair, though). It's a shame the boating associations aren't such effective lobbyists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 can you get gold licences for dinghy/tenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proper Job Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 can you get gold licences for dinghy/tenders? A question I was pondering my very self after this weekends antics I had an EA 'tender' licence for Ning-Ning, but I'm not sure about how that works for a tender gold licence. I have to say, in all the time that we towed Ning-Ning around (the right way up Maffi!), the only people that were interested in it were Thames lock staff. No one gave it a thought on the canals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie Trousers Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 I've never boated before but I'm interested in buying a small inflatable dinghy and attaching a 12volt electric outboard motor to it just to buzz up my local canal (Keadby, North Lincolnshire area), visit a couple of pubs along the way, then back down to the car. What are the legalities of doing this on the spur of the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Budgie Trousers said: I've never boated before but I'm interested in buying a small inflatable dinghy and attaching a 12volt electric outboard motor to it just to buzz up my local canal (Keadby, North Lincolnshire area), visit a couple of pubs along the way, then back down to the car. What are the legalities of doing this on the spur of the moment? I am sure somebody will correct me but the CRT website says: All types and size of boat with or without a motor, ie, a river boat, canal boat or houseboat Any small ‘open boat’ such as canoe, paddleboards, rowing boat or dinghy Need licences. Also remember when "buzzing" there is a 4 mph maximum speed. I think there may be an exception if you have a licenced boat and the dinghy is a tender which is normally carried on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 And to get the CRT licence you need a Boat Safety Certificate and third party insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dor Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 22/05/2008 at 10:28, WJM said: "BW told me that a "tender to...." disc is only issued to river only licences" Sounds logical - it is hard to think why you would need a tender on a canal. My CRT mooring is on the offside with no direct access. CRT provide a space with a cable to lock a dinghy to. They do not ask for any formal identification or fee to use the dinghy to cross the canal (Shroppie). Admittedly it is an unusual situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilgePump Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 No BSS cert needed for open boat like this with outboard and without gas/electric BUT insurance and licence are necessary for anything from a canoe upwards. Rowing dinghy is a cheap licence as portable unpowered but the motor throws an expensive spanner in the plan. Get a canoe/kayak, pay £45 to the BCU and you're licensed & 3rd party insurance for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, David Mack said: And to get the CRT licence you need a Boat Safety Certificate and third party insurance. An open boat, with no accommodation, no gas & no engine is unlikely to need a BSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said: An open boat, with no accommodation, no gas & no engine is unlikely to need a BSS Out of interest does an outboard count as no engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan de Enfield Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Jerra said: Out of interest does an outboard count as no engine? Apparently not - and an electric (as the OP is planning) certainly not. Full details on the BSS website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerra Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said: Apparently not - and an electric (as the OP is planning) certainly not. Full details on the BSS website. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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