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A narrow boat that was kept at the Ruskin Centre on the Stourbridge Town Arm and was used by a charity to help kids with learning difficulties has been destroyed by mindless vandals.

 

The boat was set adrift from its offside mooring and set on fire - damage is so severe that the boat is probably a complete wright off.

 

This is yet another incident in the same area which has before included the sawing off off balance beams , vehicles being pushed into the canal and empty factories being torched

 

Words of disgust are hardly adequate for these morons !!!

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It will never change until we reintroduce national service (not necessarily military) for 2 years, and send all young offenders to boot camp on a remote scottish island for 3 months before they begin their 'sentence' (joke). I'm sure there are plenty of retired RSMs who would love the job.

 

Turkey has national service and no loutish behaviour.

 

PS: yes, I am a reactionary old sod.

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It will never change until we reintroduce national service (not necessarily military) for 2 years, and send all young offenders to boot camp on a remote scottish island for 3 months before they begin their 'sentence' (joke). I'm sure there are plenty of retired RSMs who would love the job.

 

Turkey has national service and no loutish behaviour.

 

PS: yes, I am a reactionary old sod.

 

Im 27 and totally agree with you. My bf is 18 and I would be ok with it if he went if it meant all those other trouble making little sh*ts got a kick up the arse aswell. In fact although my bf is very well behaved and law abiding he could do with national service to make him realise what a full weeks hard work is like. I had two jobs and went to college at his age.

 

Could we not use them for cheep labour on the farms that desperatly need it. A few summers spent fruit picking never did me any harm.

 

OK maybe i sound like an old granny. :o

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As some one who lives quite close to that particular boat, lets hope they are insured as the boats been there for years and is used a lot for good causes.

 

 

The trouble with the stourbridge arm is that it is in complete darkness right in the middle of a town centre - no excuse for the behaviour but with a bit more lighting it would be easier for the police to do their job and deter these bastards from doing wrong.

 

I belive the whole canal/bonded warehouse area is having a complete rebuild as part of a new housing scheme.

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It will never change until we reintroduce national service (not necessarily military) for 2 years, and send all young offenders to boot camp on a remote scottish island for 3 months before they begin their 'sentence' (joke). I'm sure there are plenty of retired RSMs who would love the job.

 

Turkey has national service and no loutish behaviour.

 

PS: yes, I am a reactionary old sod.

 

I heartily agree with you about National Service.

 

My son is no "young offender", but it would certainly wake/shake him up a bit!

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Bring back the lash :o A few severe examples made of these louts would doubtless have a more sobering effect on the rest. In one US city (I believe Boston), gun crime was escalating out of control amongst young people. The authorities decided to get really tough. One guy was found to be illegally carrying ONE round of ammunition. He received a 19 year prison sentence. Gun crime plummeted almost overnight and is now one of the lowest in the US. I'm all for this kind of example.

 

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People of any age who commit crimes should be punished.

 

Compulsory national service (even non-military) from what I can see is indistinguishable from some forms of punishment, and lasts a lot longer.

 

Why should young people (OK, like my sons) who have done nothing wrong and are useful and pleasant members of society, be forced into it?

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Surely these young people were just 'expressing themselves'... :o

 

Whenever I see kids interviewed on TV about why youth crime is on the increase, they always come out with this crap about having nothing to do. Did we really have any more to do than them when we were young or have expectations just risen?

 

I'm actually starting to agree with the national service view (though not necessarily military service), it doesn't have to be seen as a punishment and it might help bring back a sense of community among young people - even for those who've done nothing wrong.

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Surely these young people were just 'expressing themselves'... :o

 

Whenever I see kids interviewed on TV about why youth crime is on the increase, they always come out with this crap about having nothing to do. Did we really have any more to do than them when we were young or have expectations just risen?

 

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I used to do youth work and found that they love moaning about having nothing to do but then they wont always use whats given for them anyway. I know this isnt always true and there are some very good well used youth centres.

i think we are a country of people young and old who love to moan but dont like getting off our arses and do something about it. If there parents constantly moan about how bad things are why shouldnt they.

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Surely these young people were just 'expressing themselves'... :o Whenever I see kids interviewed on TV about why youth crime is on the increase, they always come out with this crap about having nothing to do. Did we really have any more to do than them when we were young or have expectations just risen?I'm actually starting to agree with the national service view (though not necessarily military service), it doesn't have to be seen as a punishment and it might help bring back a sense of community among young people - even for those who've done nothing wrong.
I actually think that a lot of the problem is caused by the fact that young people are increasingly herded together with other young people for ever longer instead of being socialised in adult company. What a lot of them need is a job; an apprenticeship, a good old fashioned introduction to the adult world from the age of fifteen or so. Then they would go to the pub with their older workmates and learn to drink sensibly and behave in an adult fashion instead of going out in crowds of youths and ending up in the gutter. They would have money to pay for things they then wouldn't nick and for entertainment so they wouldn't need to torch boats, and above all a lot of their time and energy would be accounted for. And if there ever were good old days, I'd suggest it was more because of this sort of thing than national service.
Surely these young people were just 'expressing themselves'... :(
Has anyone, ever actually seriously said this?
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A narrow boat that was kept at the Ruskin Centre on the Stourbridge Town Arm and was used by a charity to help kids with learning difficulties has been destroyed by mindless vandals.The boat was set adrift from its offside mooring and set on fire - damage is so severe that the boat is probably a complete wright off.This is yet another incident in the same area which has before included the sawing off off balance beams , vehicles being pushed into the canal and empty factories being torchedWords of disgust are hardly adequate for these morons !!!
Little bastards.
Looks like Chris has thought of a couple :o
Turkey has national service and no loutish behaviour.
No but their kebabs are guarunteed to give you the shits. Come to think of it so does a Mcdonalds Breakfast. Sorry gotta run
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It will never change until we reintroduce national service (not necessarily military) for 2 years, and send all young offenders to boot camp on a remote scottish island for 3 months before they begin their 'sentence' (joke). I'm sure there are plenty of retired RSMs who would love the job.

 

Turkey has national service and no loutish behaviour.

 

PS: yes, I am a reactionary old sod.

 

Can we show a little sympathy for remote Scottish Islands.

Make it something they can't destroy like an iceberg.

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People of any age who commit crimes should be punished.

 

Compulsory national service (even non-military) from what I can see is indistinguishable from some forms of punishment, and lasts a lot longer.

 

Why should young people (OK, like my sons) who have done nothing wrong and are useful and pleasant members of society, be forced into it?

 

National Service of the military kind is not the answer - I do not doubt that it helped many decent young men to improve their own self discipline and develop respect for society and in that it may have been a good thing but today's modern armed forces are there for our protection (lets leave out the politics for the moment) and they already have enough on their plate without having to help our society to do something about our nutters, vandals and misfits.

 

I thought long and hard about this problem when challenged in another thread and, apart from separating them from normal society in some form of special school or corrective institution, I couldn't come up with an answer. Perhaps zero tolerance in the example quoted by Chris W would work but there would need to be irrefutable evidence and with so many people afraid to give evidence in court (for fear of reprisals) these days - that might make it even more difficult to get convictions.

 

Nevertheless, those proved guilty of malicious injury, threats of violence or damaging another persons property should be treated most severely - perhaps we could establish corrective institutions for them abroad - perhaps in less fortunate nations like Libya, Somalia or Sudan where such an investment would create employment and help the impoverished economies of those countries.

 

Certainly, from what I have learned (though I have no first hand experience) the present day system of detention and prison in the UK is far too lenient to work as a deterrent.

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national service could encompass forestry, agriculture, cleaning up our environment, social work, etc. as long as it is properly supervised in a disciplined manner and it is away from home (living in camps where it is essential to get along with your colleagues) with only very occasional home leave.

 

Interestingly, I read that China has a social problem because all the children of the last two generations were (in theory) only children. They don't know how to relate to each other.

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I am not convinced that the “kids” who perpetrate such mindless acts ever consider getting caught. And I suspect that not enough emphasis is being placed on parental responsibility either. For example, I am close to a large chain pub cum cheap eating house. Some parents simply allow their children to run amuck there, or leave them out in the play area whilst they spend several hours getting drunk. Some of these unsupervised kids then start chucking stones, or trying to vandalise things. If you try to find the parents and complain, you will often be met with a shrug of the shoulders or even abuse as Dad swills down his fifth pint of Stella or whatever.

 

One also has to question the inaction of the pub staff (and the large pub group chain that owns the premises) who permit parents to let their children behave in such a manner, or who continue to serve parents who are supposed to be in charge of their offspring as much to drink as they ask for.

 

So by simply tackling the youths (which has to be done of course) I think in part the point is being missed – it is the parents that should be tackled too. How for example can youths of 8-14 years old be out on the streets at 10pm onwards? What are their parents doing in allowing this?

 

Whilst it may be too late with an element of the current generation, holding parents to account for their child’s actions could be one way to go.

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I am not convinced that the “kids” who perpetrate such mindless acts ever consider getting caught. And I suspect that not enough emphasis is being placed on parental responsibility either. For example, I am close to a large chain pub cum cheap eating house. Some parents simply allow their children to run amuck there, or leave them out in the play area whilst they spend several hours getting drunk. Some of these unsupervised kids then start chucking stones, or trying to vandalise things. If you try to find the parents and complain, you will often be met with a shrug of the shoulders or even abuse as Dad swills down his fifth pint of Stella or whatever.

 

One also has to question the inaction of the pub staff (and the large pub group chain that owns the premises) who permit parents to let their children behave in such a manner, or who continue to serve parents who are supposed to be in charge of their offspring as much to drink as they ask for.

 

So by simply tackling the youths (which has to be done of course) I think in part the point is being missed – it is the parents that should be tackled too. How for example can youths of 8-14 years old be out on the streets at 10pm onwards? What are their parents doing in allowing this?

 

Whilst it may be too late with an element of the current generation, holding parents to account for their child’s actions could be one way to go.

Well said that man. It is called taking responsibility, a thing many seem incapable of doing these days.

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Well said that man. It is called taking responsibility, a thing many seem incapable of doing these days.

 

I suspect they won't learn to be responsible unless given some sort of responsibilty in a role that they value.

 

An increasing problem in a society obsessed with reducing risks and dominated by policies of insurance.

 

Somtimes by removing risk we also remove the means of learning.

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This is all very well, but I still advocate a good beating with a blunt object or perhaps utilise a thin whippy stick to the soles of their feet..... It really is all they understand

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I suspect they won't learn to be responsible unless given some sort of responsibilty in a role that they value.

 

An increasing problem in a society obsessed with reducing risks and dominated by policies of insurance.

 

Somtimes by removing risk we also remove the means of learning.

Fair comment.

An expert: one who has made all of the obvious mistakes, but survived.

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I suspect they won't learn to be responsible unless given some sort of responsibilty in a role that they value.

 

An increasing problem in a society obsessed with reducing risks and dominated by policies of insurance.

 

Somtimes by removing risk we also remove the means of learning.

 

I agree - and something both Kev and I have found when working with young people in theatre. The trouble makers often, when given lone responsibility, knuckle down and come out shining.

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I left the Isle of Man (birching a speciality) to join the forces. National Service of a military kind would be a complete waste of time for these scrotes, even when I went in just as a plank there was still an awful lot to learn. My sister is a teacher, she is leaving at the end of this year because "each new intake is worse than the one before". Kids don't even have the basics like respecting authority. Try to discipline Dwayne and Chardonnay and apparently all you get is resentment followed by complaints from the useless parents. So the problem seems to start in "the home" with the appallingly self-centered parents setting an awful example for their feckless offspring to follow. How do you turn that one around?

 

At the end of the day I wouldn't bother with reports, background, upbringing etc etc. The little shits know the difference between right and wrong and that's good enough for me. So if these scrotes are running riot late at night then I would curfew them and their useless parents with them. For starters...

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