2 minutes ago, David Mack said:

 

 

Do you know who removed the boat, it was much faster than normal 

1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said:

Do you know who removed the boat, it was much faster than normal 

 

There's an RCR van in background towards the end of the video so I assume it's them as they have recovered boats in the past.

40 minutes ago, IanM said:

 

There's an RCR van in background towards the end of the video so I assume it's them as they have recovered boats in the past.

It was a very fast response, maybe the hire company organised it to get the boat up fast 

It might be deceptive, but from the video it looks like the boat was right up against the cill but had lots of clearance to the bottom gates -- how long was the boat and how long is the lock?

 

Looks from the video like another failure to keep away from the cill when descending -- unfortunate for the boaters involved but sadly predictable, there are several every year (not all on hire boats!) in spite of all the warnings to keep clear of it... 😞 

Edited September 14Sep 14 by IanD

Is it only me who feels a bit uncomfortable about people basically cashing in (via adverts) on other peoples misfortune?

2 minutes ago, StephenA said:

Is it only me who feels a bit uncomfortable about people basically cashing in (via adverts) on other peoples misfortune?

What, like ITV, Channel  4, 5, and everybody else on a commercial Channel?

eta - forgot Sky and their live coverage of 9/11

Edited September 14Sep 14 by Mike Tee

4 minutes ago, StephenA said:

Is it only me who feels a bit uncomfortable about people basically cashing in (via adverts) on other peoples misfortune?

No -- and especially with all the labels of "Terrifying!" and "Englands's deepest lock!" to make people scared. You can just as easily sink a boat by cilling it in a lock a third of that depth, as has unfortunately been proven on several occasions... 😞 

3 minutes ago, Mike Tee said:

What, like ITV, Channel  4, 5, and everybody else on a commercial Channel?

But presumably with their permission (and sometimes, payment). I wonder if the poster of this video got permission from those involved?

Edited September 14Sep 14 by IanD

9 minutes ago, IanD said:

But presumably with their permission (and sometimes, payment). I wonder if the poster of this video got permission from those involved?

Several people involved seemed to be happy to talk to camera. What did they think was likely to happen to such video?

19 minutes ago, IanD said:

It might be deceptive, but from the video it looks like the boat was right up against the cill but had lots of clearance to the bottom gates -- how long was the boat and how long is the lock?

 

Looks from the video like another failure to keep away from the cill when descending -- unfortunate for the boaters involved but sadly predictable, there are several every year (not all on hire boats!) in spite of all the warnings to keep clear of it... 😞 

The warning signs are on the lock by the cill, but that isn't where people are looking, Just watch them, they look at the crew operating the paddles at the other end not looking back at where the signs are..

6 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Several people involved seemed to be happy to talk to camera. What did they think was likely to happen to such video?

But not the "elderly couple" who were filmed being dragged out of the lock, and presumably were at fault. They're the ones who suffered and who might well not be happy that their "adventure" was publicised, and may attract troll attention from those eager to blame them. Were they asked?

1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said:

The warning signs are on the lock by the cill, but that isn't where people are looking, Just watch them, they look at the crew operating the paddles at the other end not looking back at where the signs are..

And the warning I assume (hope!) they received when they hired the boat? In my experience it's the one thing that boat hire companies emphasize to hirers, because it's the one thing most likely to sink a boat...

(and the signs are of course right next to the steerer, who shouldn't need to look at them on every single lock anyway...)

Edited September 14Sep 14 by IanD

17 minutes ago, Mike Tee said:

What, like ITV, Channel  4, 5, and everybody else on a commercial Channel?

eta - forgot Sky and their live coverage of 9/11

 

It's the sensationalist headings, the click bait titles like the one in this video or "Disaster Strikes" with a big white arrow pointing out the sunken boat.

They're not delivering it as news - they're delivering it as a way of earning money.

18 minutes ago, IanD said:

But not the "elderly couple" who were filmed being dragged out of the lock, and presumably were at fault. They're the ones who suffered and who might well not be happy that their "adventure" was publicised, and may attract troll attention from those eager to blame them. Were they asked?

And the warning I assume (hope!) they received when they hired the boat? In my experience it's the one thing that boat hire companies emphasize to hirers, because it's the one thing most likely to sink a boat...

(and the signs are of course right next to the steerer, who shouldn't need to look at them on every single lock anyway...)

I would disagree

Surly the boat is more likely to sink because the weedhatch hasn't been tightened. Highly likely on a hire boat because they are told to check the prop daily

31 minutes ago, Tonka said:

I would disagree

Surly the boat is more likely to sink because the weedhatch hasn't been tightened. Highly likely on a hire boat because they are told to check the prop daily

I was going by the numbers of boats that sink in locks each year, almost all of which seem to be due to cilling -- so yes that's my assumption, based on reports of sinkings in locks.

 

"Likely" (for hire boats) is a supposition -- do you have any numbers to back it up?

 

(most of the reports I can find about weed hatch sinkings seem to be scruffy liveaboards or newbies with badly maintained boats)

 

BTW have you hired many boats in the last few years? The advice I've always been given is not to open the weed hatch up every day, but to keep an eye on the prop and how the boat is going, and check the weed hatch if it goes all thrashy and noisy and doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. But the thing most emphasized is always avoid the cill.

Edited September 14Sep 14 by IanD

3 minutes ago, Tonka said:

I would disagree

Surly the boat is more likely to sink because the weedhatch hasn't been tightened. Highly likely on a hire boat because they are told to check the prop daily

So how many reports have you seen of sunken hire boats due to open weed hatches ? I have never seen one but I am sure there are some.

45 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

So how many reports have you seen of sunken hire boats due to open weed hatches ? I have never seen one but I am sure there are some.

Agreed.  We've hired about seven times in the past few years and nobody ever said to check the weed hatch unless there was solid evidence of a problem.  I think we also got an ear full about cills each time, but we were thoroughly educated on the subject before ever hiring, so I don't remember the warnings strongly.

Anglo Welsh hires we have had, (and there's been a few), come with clear instructions re. locks and, if requested, a staff member will accompany you to the first lock.  I've seen Great Haywood staff heading off as a passenger through Tixell Wide due to a lock operation request.  There are written instructions with diagrams in the boat manual as well. 

 

Similarly, they are always very clear as to the correct procedure should you need to nip down the weed hatch.  They encourage a blast of reverse to see if it clears, but if not, they walk you through how to lift the hatch (keeping the keys in your pocket) and, more importantly, how to refit and test.  There is no requirement to lift the hatch without good reason.

We all know about avoiding the cill when descending but the best and most experienced of us can have momentary lapses of concentration and that’s all it takes - a moment. 

The narrator said that the boat was drawn back onto the cill, causing it to ground. I didn't catch it all, something to do with opening paddles.

34 minutes ago, Llamedos said:

We all know about avoiding the cill when descending but the best and most experienced of us can have momentary lapses of concentration and that’s all it takes - a moment. 

I have.  and things happen so fast 

Just now, ditchcrawler said:

I have.  and things happen so fast 

Me too 😬

12 minutes ago, Peanut said:

The narrator said that the boat was drawn back onto the cill, causing it to ground. I didn't catch it all, something to do with opening paddles.

There may have been a top paddle partially open, in one of the photos I saw there was clearly a bottom paddle fully raised and a top paddle nearly half open judging by the marker on the drum paddle.  In a deep lock this may well have pulled the boat backwards on to the cill.

 

Also, in one of the photos I saw there was a lot of water coming through the top gates so possibly could have swamped the cruiser stern.

 

16 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I have.  and things happen so fast 

 

A snail goes into a police station and says to the desk copper "Help help, I've just been brutally mugged by two slugs!"

 

The desk sergeant says did you get a good look at them, can you give me a description? The snail says "No sorry, it all happened too fast"

2 hours ago, IanD said:

I was going by the numbers of boats that sink in locks each year, almost all of which seem to be due to cilling -- so yes that's my assumption, based on reports of sinkings in locks.

Sinking by cilling can only happen in locks. Sinking due to an improperly fitted weedhatch can occur anywhere. So I imagine the vast majority of lock sinkings are due to cillings or bow/stern fenders getting caught in gates.

My question would be, how fast were they emptying the lock?  Did they open the paddles all the way at the start?  Sudden full flow can drag the boat any which way.  Personally, I only open the paddles half way at most until the water clears the cill when going down.