Roses and Castles

[LadyG]

Im having new door linings and there will be panels for roses and castles. I do a bit of painting, so i will try a few tests, i have a bit of ply somewhere.

I thought about buying a set of artist oil paints, and a set of large artist brushes, the flat ones.

I could draw a few on stencil paper before the real thing. If its not great, i would clean them off and leave painted, probably red. Should the red panels, or any colour be a satin matt, or humbrol enamel, which is not the easiest paint.

Ty

Calling

@dave moore

Im near Sowerby Bridge if there arecany professionals.

[dave moore]

Artists oil colours are not usually used for canal style artwork. I’m happy to offer more information if needed. Message me for a phone number.

[Tonka]

Don't Craftmaster paints make the roses & Castle kits anymore

[jonathanA]

9 minutes ago, Tonka said:

Don't Craftmaster paints make the roses & Castle kits anymore

They used to,  her indoors bought one  a few years ago , think it was about 50 quid,  came with 5 (small) cans of flat paint, some brushes and some instructions. I'm still waiting for her to try it out though.... 

[David Schweizer]

Despite their appearance of comparative simplicity, Canal Roses and Castles are acually quite difficult to paint unless you have observed how proffessionals paint them. After watching Ron Hough on a number of ocassions, I eventually managed to achieve reasonably good copies of his work, but I have never managed to master traditional Castles.

 

An example of my efforts:-

 

 

[BEngo]

I found that a piece of white plastic  faced chipboard was ideal for practicing on.  

 

You can draw on it with a pencil for the initial layout and once you have  painted a rag dampened with paint solvent  will remove your efforts and leave a surface ready to start again.

 

The hardest bit of flowers for me was to get well formed single stroke petals.

Castles were just bloody difficult!

[matty40s]

Surely SML paints do paint stuff??

[haggis]

You can get very nice vynil roses and castles for doors and they last for ages. 

[JoeC]

1 hour ago, Tonka said:

Don't Craftmaster paints make the roses & Castle kits anymore

They do the roses kit. £45 plus P&P.

Roses Starter Kit – Craftmaster Paints Online Shop

[junior]

It's a bit too late for this year, but Phil Speight did a taster session at the HNBC Easter Gathering at Ellesmere Port this year. It looked popular and when I stuck my head into the room the work being done by those in the session looked fantastic, no doubt down to his expert tuition rather than previous experience.

 

I'm sure the sessions would be repeated next year as they were so popular, so if you're not in a rush perhaps try and attend before attempting your own. He also used to do courses at Bollington Wharf now and again.

[Alan de Enfield]

2 hours ago, matty40s said:

Surely SML paints do paint stuff??

 

Maybe call their technical department and ask for advice ?

[David Schweizer]

2 hours ago, BEngo said:

I found that a piece of white plastic  faced chipboard was ideal for practicing on.  

 

You can draw on it with a pencil for the initial layout and once you have  painted a rag dampened with paint solvent  will remove your efforts and leave a surface ready to start again.

 

The hardest bit of flowers for me was to get well formed single stroke petals.

Castles were just bloody difficult!

 

Yes, I agree. The trick is knowing which one to paint first. Ron always painted the petal at the back of the rose which ran from the centre to the bottom, that petal defines the structure for the rest of the rose. Once I ralised that, it became easier to make a reasonably acceptable image.

[David Mack]

2 hours ago, junior said:

He also used to do courses at Bollington Wharf now and again.

https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/canal-art-with-phil-speight-234269

 

[LadyG]

8 hours ago, haggis said:

You can get very nice vynil roses and castles for doors and they last for ages. 

Yes, ive thought of using them as stencils, but it would probably annoy me, that i hadn't made the effort.

Im looking for a galvanised jug to practice on.

Its going to be quite difficult doing the door panels outdoors, but others have managed.

 

Edited April 28 by LadyG

[dave moore]

Stencils my arse. Never!!

But I would say that, wouldn’t I??😉

[Tonka]

1 minute ago, dave moore said:

Stencils my arse. Never!!

But I would say that, wouldn’t I??😉

I thought your arse was tattooed 

[wakey_wake]

1 minute ago, Tonka said:

I thought your arse was tattooed 

"There was a barmaid from Australia"...

[haggis]

I know the purists frown on vinyl on a boat but we have used it as a necessity. The first time was when we had our little Sea Otter repainted in 2002 and we couldn't find a boat painter in Scotland . We used vinyl ( including  a grouse as used by  grouse whisky ) and it is still there - a bit faded perhaps 😄.

When we renamed KELPIE we used vinyl copied from a photo of the KELPIE head which Iain had taken. We could perhaps have the KELPIE head painted on  but we reckoned that vinyl would be more accurate. All the other paintwork on KELPIE is proper painting ! 

Edited April 28 by haggis

[blackrose]

5 hours ago, haggis said:

You can get very nice vynil roses and castles for doors and they last for ages. 

 

The traditionalists must love you! 🤣

[haggis]

13 minutes ago, blackrose said:

 

The traditionalists must love you! 🤣

Doubt it but we felt it was the best course of action.😄

[Tony Brooks]

4 minutes ago, haggis said:

Doubt it but we felt it was the best course of action.😄

 

So do I, especially for the less wealthy boaters, but for different reasons.

 

Sign writing paint seems very soft to me so it seems to eventually come off with polishing and also just shed pigment, this leave you with the panel colour showing through the art work in places.

 

Also when it comes time for a repaint, but you don't want/can't afford to go back to bare metal you have a hell of a job getting the sing writing off sufficiently so it does not show through the new paint. Areas are likely to go back to near bare steel - and t is a fiddly job that takes time.

 

Far better for the DIYer to stick to vinyl whatever the traditionists may say or feel.

 

 

 

 

[LadyG]

5 hours ago, junior said:

It's a bit too late for this year, but Phil Speight did a taster session at the HNBC Easter Gathering at Ellesmere Port this year. It looked popular and when I stuck my head into the room the work being done by those in the session looked fantastic, no doubt down to his expert tuition rather than previous experience.

 

I'm sure the sessions would be repeated next year as they were so popular, so if you're not in a rush perhaps try and attend before attempting your own. He also used to do courses at Bollington Wharf now and again.

Yes, im in touch and there may be an additional course, if so I might take a panel with me,   im currently sourcing some materials. 

 

Edited April 28 by LadyG

[ditchcrawler]

2 hours ago, blackrose said:

 

The traditionalists must love you! 🤣

I doubt the traditionalists would consider an aluminium Sea Otter a traditional boat, so why should it have traditional painting. I have painted rear doors, I did have transfers but when they died I had them painted by Northwich Dry Dock because I prefer the look of painting . Could we liken traditional painting on modern boats to fake rivets just to make a boat look traditional? Now there's a can of worms

[blackrose]

15 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

I doubt the traditionalists would consider an aluminium Sea Otter a traditional boat, so why should it have traditional painting. 

 

 

I didn't say it should.

 

If you take your rationale a step further then why would any modern narrowboat have roses & castles at all? It seems a bit ridiculous to me, like a balding man with a ponytail. If it's a replica working boat then traditional decoration looks fine, but I don't see any connection between most modern narrowboats with their full length cabins and traditional working boat adornments. Just my opinion. Everyone is free to decorate their boats or wear their hair as they wish of course. 

[Arthur Marshall]

2 hours ago, blackrose said:

 

The traditionalists must love you! 🤣

My signwriter was an idiosyncratic artist from Birkenhead who gave me some rather fine blue roses and a castle on the front with a resplendent dragon that was much admired by passing kids.

The first person to paint "trad" roses and a castle was probably regarded a an iconoclast. And would probably have used vinyl if it had been invented to save having to keep repainting the same damn thing every few years!