Chris Clegg Map Help

[Outlandos74]

I'm a US boater prepping for a long summer and a move (in a year or two) onto a live-aboard. I can't get any site to ship the Chris Clegg time map to the US. Would anyone be willing to send me a hi-rez photo to use for planning?

[Jen-in-Wellies]

Welcome to the forum. 

In the absence of the map, canalplan is a good online canal trip planning tool. 

[MtB]

15 minutes ago, Outlandos74 said:

I'm a US boater prepping for a long summer and a move (in a year or two) onto a live-aboard. I can't get any site to ship the Chris Clegg time map to the US. Would anyone be willing to send me a hi-rez photo to use for planning?

 

Copyright issues here, surely.

 

 

I wonder if Chris is a member here and has any views on this. 

 

 

[Chris Lowe]

It only cost £6 from the IWA.

https://waterways.org.uk/support/shop/canal-time-map-by-chris-clegg

[David Mack]

11 minutes ago, Chris Lowe said:

It only cost £6 from the IWA.

https://waterways.org.uk/support/shop/canal-time-map-by-chris-clegg

"Please note that we are unable to accept orders for delivery outside the UK."

[GUMPY]

Apparently no one will ship to the USA😱

[David Mack]

Canal Shop Company will send to the USA. But they don't stock the Chris Clegg map!

[Mike Tee]

Collins Nicholson guides are available on Amazon and can be downloaded to a Kindle

[MtB]

29 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Apparently no one will ship to the USA😱

 

Well now what a surprise, given their president's attitude to trading with us.

 

 

[midnight cowboy]

Go paperless!!! - check out Nick Atty's excellent AC Canal Planner - https://canalplan.uk/

[JoeC]

Not the map you are after but MinimaList ship overseas.

https://www.minimallist.co.uk/shop

[Arthur Marshall]

It's really just a lock/mile map. If you assume 20 minutes a lock/mile you won't go far wrong and any map does as well. Technically I suppose a mile and a lock are 15 minutes but 4mph is a bit of an over reach these days. And you have to factor in at least one unexpected stoppage every two weeks - at least per my experience over the past few years.

It's all very well making plans, but best to assume that any journey will take at least half as long again as your calculated schedule. Me, I assume twice. 

[Mike Todd]

6 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said:

It's really just a lock/mile map. If you assume 20 minutes a lock/mile you won't go far wrong and any map does as well. Technically I suppose a mile and a lock are 15 minutes but 4mph is a bit of an over reach these days. And you have to factor in at least one unexpected stoppage every two weeks - at least per my experience over the past few years.

It's all very well making plans, but best to assume that any journey will take at least half as long again as your calculated schedule. Me, I assume twice. 

Good idea to factor in a few other possible, even probable delays - eg queues at locks even if only a single turn, water filling and sewage/rubbish disposal. 2.5 lock-miles per hour is a more likely rate.

[IanD]

42 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

Good idea to factor in a few other possible, even probable delays - eg queues at locks even if only a single turn, water filling and sewage/rubbish disposal. 2.5 lock-miles per hour is a more likely rate.

My average since I got the boat (logged over about 600 miles and 500 locks) is 2.54 lock-miles/hour... 😉 

[Arthur Marshall]

7 minutes ago, IanD said:

My average since I got the boat (logged over about 600 miles and 500 locks) is 2.54 lock-miles/hour... 😉 

Ah, but them of us with real engines go a bit quicker...

[Tony Brooks]

8 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

Ah, but them of us with real engines go a bit quicker...

 

When we can, which on narrow canals is not that often. I suspect Ian's boat could match a typical diesel engined one, speed wise on open water, but how long for might be the question.

[IanD]

1 hour ago, Arthur Marshall said:

Ah, but them of us with real engines go a bit quicker...

Will that will be with a big breaking wash, or by going "too fast" past moored boats? I've seen plenty of boats with "real engines" do both... 😉 

 

(unlike some e-boat dawdlers I cruise at about the same speed/power as I would on a diesel boat, with a small non-breaking wash typically an inch or two high -- and slowing down before and while passing moored boats...)

 

1 hour ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

When we can, which on narrow canals is not that often. I suspect Ian's boat could match a typical diesel engined one, speed wise on open water, but how long for might be the question.

It certainly couldn't match a modern 40hp diesel running flat out while deafening the steerer -- but then I've never needed/wanted to do that on a diesel boat...

 

It will go faster than I'd ever want to on a canal, and plenty fast enough upstream on a river for as long as I'm ever likely to want to do this for (several hours) -- which is all I care about... 🙂 

Edited February 2 by IanD

[ditchcrawler]

1 hour ago, IanD said:

My average since I got the boat (logged over about 600 miles and 500 locks) is 2.54 lock-miles/hour... 😉 

We are about 2.5 mph on about 8000 miles

[Arthur Marshall]

46 minutes ago, IanD said:

Will that will be with a big breaking wash, or by going "too fast" past moored boats? I've seen plenty of boats with "real engines" do both... 😉 

 

(unlike some e-boat dawdlers I cruise at about the same speed/power as I would on a diesel boat, with a small non-breaking wash typically an inch or two high -- and slowing down before and while passing moored boats...)

 

It certainly couldn't match a modern 40hp diesel running flat out while deafening the steerer -- but then I've never needed/wanted to do that on a diesel boat...

 

It will go faster than I'd ever want to on a canal, and plenty fast enough upstream on a river for as long as I'm ever likely to want to do this for (several hours) -- which is all I care about... 🙂 

I wasn't serious... On a straight run I seem to cruise at about 3mph - I don't think my old tub would go much faster downhill with a following wind. Which means 3 lock miles an hour is well out of reach, and why I think I suggested two and a half.

[MtB]

4 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

I wasn't serious... On a straight run I seem to cruise at about 3mph - I don't think my old tub would go much faster downhill with a following wind. Which means 3 lock miles an hour is well out of reach, and why I think I suggested two and a half.

 

Same here. Both my boats are deep drafted and I rarely overtake towpath pedestrians so I reckon I do barely 3mph between locks, nevwr mind counting the locks in too. 

 

I reckon a narrow lock takes me about ten minutes on average and a widey, 30 mins. Depends massively on if its set in my favour or against me on arrival. On the other hand someone on here once commented they followed me up a flight and despite them having a crew they were not catching me up. Sometimes a crew is more of a handicap, lol! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[David Mack]

1 hour ago, MtB said:

Both my boats are deep drafted and I rarely overtake towpath pedestrians so I reckon I do barely 3mph between locks, nevwr mind counting the locks in too. 

I have used a GPS speedometer app on my phone. It doesn't work terribly well at boating speeds, although it is supposedly good for walking. But on a stretch with a good signal my speed in open water on canals tends to hover around 2.7-3.1 mph, and on rivers I have got up to 5.5-6 mph downstream. What is noticeable though is how my canal speed drops from nearly 3 mph in open water to more like 1.3-1.5 mph going through bridgeholes and narrows.

[BEngo]

Driving into bridge holes was regarded by boaters as a bad idea, especially with a loaded butty.

 

I make much better progress by shutting off  as the engine ole bulkhead starts to enter the narrowing.  The following wave then catches you  up and lifts the stern through without much apparent slowing. ( I have not tried GPS on it) . 

[GUMPY]

Please sir.

 

 

That wasn't even flat out just a casual 1700rpm

You can workout where it was and whether I was speeding from the lat/long 

[ditchcrawler]

14 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Please sir.

 

 

That wasn't even flat out just a casual 1700rpm

You can workout where it was and whether I was speeding from the lat/long 

Little Ouse about 2½ miles south of the junction 

[IanD]

1 hour ago, GUMPY said:

Please sir.

 

 

That wasn't even flat out just a casual 1700rpm

You can workout where it was and whether I was speeding from the lat/long 

Nice deep wide water and a big wash, not surprising... 🙂