8 hours ago, Memories said:

Hold the phone everyone!

 

We are getting well off the main topic which was any know a company that will supply a new cooker remove the old one and fit the new one. That is the topic.

 

No, we are not. We may not be answering the question you asked, but you made a statement that you have now doubled down on that is factually incorrect and is misleading to others. I even gave you two examples of how a non-boat endorsed Gas Safe fitter could easily cock up a boat installation as far as the BSS is concerned.

 

I even suggested a way of finding companies that will provide the service you ask for - boatyards and marinas, but that apparently does not suit you. Brian gave you another way, ask GRP & Boat endorsed gas fitters to quote for supply and fit.

 

Go ahead if you can, ignore the suggestions here, get your non-boat endorsed gas fitter to do the job, and accept the consequences that might well be none, but MIGHT lose you the boat in an uninsured explosion. Your boat, your choice, but do not mislead other members.

 

This is a DISCUSSION forum, I take it that you know what "discussion" means, and if you make factually incorrect statements that mislead you should expect to be called out.

 

For your information - I have seen a gas cooker in Calcutt Boats chandlery, they also run a hire fleet and a large marina. I am almost sure that they would supply and fit, but you will have to take your boat to them.

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Tony Brooks

9 hours ago, MtB said:

In addition, anyone fitting a gas cooker (or any gas work at all) only needs to be "competent" according to gas law. Membership of Gas Safe Register is only mandatory if they are charging money or receiving reward for their gas work.

I agree with that Mike I fitted my own LPG gas boiler when living in a mobile home, but I got a qualified gas engineer to check it over and fire it up.

2 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

This. It is the closest to an all in one service that the OP will find on the canals. They should be able to take delivery, dispose of waste and have access to an LPG and boat certified gas fitter and BSS inspector. They will want paying for all this though. Stanilands in Thorne isn't far from Doncaster. Two in Goole. My knowledge runs out towards Wakefield, but there is one in Wakefield itself. 

 

From a search one possibility that turned up was this: https://marineheating.co.uk/. 

 

ETA: PLEASE SEE WARNING FROM CHEESEGAS BELOW ABOUT THE REPUTATION OF THIS COMPANY.

 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by alias

11 hours ago, Memories said:

If an engineer is LPG qualified then they are qualified to fit it on a boat.

 

 

Retrospective popcorn...

 

8 hours ago, LadyG said:

I think we are all assuming that you want to have a new cooker on a boat which has an existing cooker AND that this boat is on a canal, or will, at some time be on waters which require both insurance AND a Boat Safety Cerificate. The two are linked. 

You may be able to find a competent person to fit a cooker, but unless he is qualified to the standards previously mentioned, he can fit it but he cant issue a BSC,  you are possibly not complying with the terms of the CRT Licence, and may void your insurance. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.

Bayonet fittings were used for years, to connect appliance to the supply, but they are no longer compliant.

To summarise :  It matters little to the CRT and the Boat Safety Scheme how competent your fitter is,  they require you to comply with their Ts and Cs. 

 

 

Aren't you confusing two different issues? I don't think the OP was asking for the person who fits the gas cooker to also issue a BSC? Once the cooker is fitted the gas system only needs to be tested and then the BSC can be issued by an inspector of the OP's choosing at a later date when it is due, which may be in a few months or a few years, depending on when the last one was issued.

1 hour ago, Chris Lowe said:

I agree with that Mike I fitted my own LPG gas boiler when living in a mobile home, but I got a qualified gas engineer to check it over and fire it up.

 

Me too, I installed my complete gas system and tested it myself 20 years ago and was happy to use it until such time that the next BSS inspection passed it. However I consider myself a competent person and worked within the regs of the BSS which I has read up on before fitting the system which had to be tested before use. I don't know if the OP's boat is fitted to BSS or higher RCD standards or whether the OP is a competent person or not, so I wouldn't be able to advise them to DIY. However, if they are competent, if the boat is fitted to BSS standards and they have read up on the BSS regs for gas installations, have the correct materials & fittings with soft copper washers (not brass) and have a means of testing the system afterwards, then it's really just plumbing and not that difficult. 

 

Of course, that doesn't cover getting the cooker into the boat through the narrow doorway!

Edited January 15Jan 15 by blackrose

38 minutes ago, blackrose said:

 

Retrospective popcorn...

 

 

Aren't you confusing two different issues? I don't think the OP was asking for the person who fits the gas cooker to also issue a BSC? Once the cooker is fitted the gas system only needs to be tested and then the BSC can be issued by an inspector of the OP's choosing at a later date when it is due, which may be in a few months or a few years, depending on when the last one was issued.

Yes, I was trying to say exactly that, I was hoping that OP might read my post and realise that there may be  factors involved which he has not yet considered., but which a responsible owner will need to consider.

I'm not sure about testing, it may be sensible,  but is it mandatory? 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by LadyG

59 minutes ago, alias said:

From a search one possibility that turned up was this: https://marineheating.co.uk/.  I have no knowledge about them other than the content of their web site.

Avoid this company at all costs. It's run by a chap called Sebastian who is well known for condemning an 'unsafe' installation on a boat, capping the gas off so it can't be used and then charging a fortune to reconnect it. He recently lost his BSC, and the company has been dissolved on Companies House last year so I hope he's no longer trading.

5 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Yes, I was trying to say exactly that, I was hoping that OP might read it and realise that there may be  factors involved which he has not considered.

 

Ok

56 minutes ago, cheesegas said:

Avoid this company at all costs. It's run by a chap called Sebastian who is well known for condemning an 'unsafe' installation on a boat, capping the gas off so it can't be used and then charging a fortune to reconnect it. He recently lost his BSC, and the company has been dissolved on Companies House last year so I hope he's no longer trading.

Thank you for the heads up. I've been looking at this website with a view to potentially buying something from them. I shall look elsewhere. 

2 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

For your information - I have seen a gas cooker in Calcutt Boats chandlery, they also run a hire fleet and a large marina. I am almost sure that they would supply and fit, but you will have to take your boat to them.

Yep, agreed. 

 

There are many capable boatyards around the country that I'm quite sure would be able and willing to provide the service required if the boat is taken to them. 

 

But, you will pay boatyard prices, not a Currys price. That's the choice we choose having boats though. 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Speedwheel
Too many "capables"

21 minutes ago, Speedwheel said:

But, you will pay boatyard prices, not a Currys price. That's the choice we choose having boats though. 

 

And that is probably why the OP seemed to ignore suggestions that met his stated criteria. The choice he seems unwilling to make, rather than suggesting the forum was not answering his question.

1 hour ago, cheesegas said:

Avoid this company at all costs. It's run by a chap called Sebastian who is well known for condemning an 'unsafe' installation on a boat, capping the gas off so it can't be used and then charging a fortune to reconnect it. He recently lost his BSC, and the company has been dissolved on Companies House last year so I hope he's no longer trading.

I often see this company on facebook, usually associated with solid fuel stove installs.

1 minute ago, Russ T said:

I often see this company on facebook, usually associated with solid fuel stove installs.

Red flag has been waved.

1 minute ago, Russ T said:

I often see this company on facebook, usually associated with solid fuel stove installs.

Yep. He's been banned from a lot of groups, he posts in the ones that aren't aware.

2 hours ago, blackrose said:

have the correct materials & fittings with soft copper washers (not brass) and have a means of testing the system afterwards, then it's really just plumbing and not that difficult. 

 

This, and bits of other posts in this thread reflects the tendency of the amateur to assume gas work is all about the pipes and avoiding leaks. It isn't.

 

Fitting pipework without leaks is so easy it is taken as read that anyone attempting their own gas work will manage this successfully.

 

Almost all gas training focusses on everything except how to make pipe joints. Pipe sizing calculations, ventilation requirements, regulator sizing, appropriate pipework materials in the various situations, pipework fixing and bracketing, tightness testing, purging, working and static pressures, permissible lengths of flexible pipe, ventilation, flue performance, flame supervision, combustion analysis etc are all subjects taught in minute detail plus a lot more I haven't thought of composing this post. Few of these are even mentioned in the most basic (and slack) BSC rules. 

 

 

 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by MtB
Add a couple!

A boatyard, or marina, offering boatyard services, is probably the only option. I'm reluctant to cause any further upset, but boatyard are notorious for delays, an element of mañana enters into it.

Also, they will use a marine qualified gas engineer to gas it up.

These can be a little picky, as MtB says above, before they are willing to put their name to it, and what you will need to get your BSS certificate.

8 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

This, and bits of other posts in this thread reflects the tendency of the amateur to assume gas work is all about the pipes and avoiding leaks. It isn't.

 

Fitting pipework without leaks is so easy it is taken as read that anyone attempting their own gas work will manage this successfully.

 

Almost all gas training focusses on everything except how to make pipe joints. Pipe sizing calculations, ventilation requirements, regulator sizing, appropriate pipework materials in the various situations, pipework fixing and bracketing, tightness testing, purging, working and static pressures, permissible lengths of flexible pipe, ventilation, flue performance, flame supervision, combustion analysis etc are all subjects taught in minute detail plus a lot more I haven't thought of composing this post. Few of these are even mentioned in the most basic (and slack) BSC rules. 

 

You didn’t explicitly say it so I’m going to: many of the above topics are different within the confines of a narrow boat vs a house, which is why there is a separate ticket for marine lpg

14 minutes ago, MtB said:

Snip

 

 

Just use a bit of garden hose don't you? Surely that will be fine. 

 

I love it when I'm boiling the kettle; it always makes me feel nice and sleepy. 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Speedwheel
Joke - for clarity!

44 minutes ago, Speedwheel said:

 

Just use a bit of garden hose don't you? Surely that will be fine. 

 

I love it when I'm boiling the kettle; it always makes me feel nice and sleepy. 

And when your bottle is nearly empty the gas sometimes smells a bit stronger, it's all so weird, I just give the propane a shake on a cold day, and miraculously,  my kettle livens up, they must be connected 😀. 

 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by LadyG

11 hours ago, Memories said:

Ok ok ok, so maybe I have been misinformed regarding the engineers qualifications.

 

However, this is not the issue.

 

The question is does anyone know anywhere that sells and fits cookers on a Narrowboat and takes the old one away.

 

That is basically my topic, not the qualifications of the engineer.

I and others have told you how to get over that, let the fitter bring it, install it and take the old one away, you just have to give them beer tokens 

32 minutes ago, Peanut said:

  and what you will need to get your BSS certificate.

I am not sure about that point, are the BSS interested in who did it 

So far in this thread no one has mentioned the regulatory distinction between a boat that is a primary residence and a leisure boat used for occasional cruising.

 

Would the OP find it simpler to get a competent person to install the cooker if the boat is described as leisure boat?

 

Once such a competent cooker fitter has agreed to undertake the job, the minor details such as delivery and removal of the old cooker can be discussed.

 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Gybe Ho

11 hours ago, MrsM said:

To the OP: this isn't an answer to your question but a polite reminder that people here are all unpaid interested individuals and this is a DISCUSSION forum. You cannot dictate how other people respond to a thread, regardless of whether or not you started it. This is not a free professional advice line despite the fact that many experienced professionals generously give up their time to help people. Good luck with your mission to find someone to help move your ovens. Is there a 'man-with-a-van' service near to where you are based?

Ive already suggested OP contact me privately by pm, private messaging. He/she could also ask a nearby boater, but best bet is to call the marina or a local hire boat company and work from there.

23 minutes ago, Gybe Ho said:

So far in this thread no one has mentioned the regulatory distinction between a boat that is a primary residence and a leisure boat used for occasional cruising.

 

Would the OP find it simpler to get a competent person to install the cooker if the boat is described as leisure boat?

 

One such a competent cooker fitter has agreed to undertake the job, the minor details such as delivery and removal of the old cooker can be discussed. 

I dont think OP is liveaboard, however I did mention it, somewhere along the line. 

I don't think removal, replacement and disposal are minor, which is why OP has been advised to take boat to a boatyard or a marina which has the proper facilities. It will likely cost a fair bit more than initially anticipated.

Edited January 15Jan 15 by LadyG

Jen-in-Wellies mentioned Stanilands Marina at Thorne; as well as them there is Thorne Boat Services who have a well stocked chandlery. It would be worth contacting them to see if they can help. 

Finesse Boats in Sheffield supplied and fitted our gas cooker while the boat was being built. Might be worth a shout.

1 hour ago, LadyG said:

 

I don't think removal, replacement and disposal are minor, which is why OP has been advised to take boat to a boatyard or a marina which has the proper facilities. It will likely cost a fair bit more than initially anticipated.

 

 

Maybe not "minor" but this delivery and disposal challenge will be a routinely solved problem in the narrowboating industry.

 

The OP needs to consider that there are 7000 continuous cruisers and possibly another 8000 home mooring liveaboards or seriously cruised leisure boats. Let's say there are 15,000 routinely used gas cookers onboard private canal boats and if the life expectancy of a cooker is 15 years then that implies 1000 cooker replacements a year.

 

The narrowboat industry will have arrived at some standard procedures to deal with this replacement cycle. If the OP can first comprehend how the industry ticks today, he will then be able to adjust personal expectations to fit in with standard solutions. 

15 minutes ago, Gybe Ho said:

 

Maybe not "minor" but this delivery and disposal challenge will be a routinely solved problem in the narrowboating industry.

 

The OP needs to consider that there are 7000 continuous cruisers and possibly another 8000 home mooring liveaboards or seriously cruised leisure boats. Let's say there are 15,000 routinely used gas cookers onboard private canal boats and if the life expectancy of a cooker is 15 years then that implies 1000 cooker replacements a year.

 

The narrowboat industry will have arrived at some standard procedures to deal with this replacement cycle. If the OP can first comprehend how the industry ticks today, he will then be able to adjust personal expectations to fit in with standard solutions. 

 

Indeed, but these almost all seem to involve taking the boat to the installer/boatyard/chandlers/marina where their people and facilities are, so it's a relatively quick and easy job.

 

Finding someone who will spend time (including travel) to supply and bring a new cooker out to a boat moored online somewhere, swap it for the old one, and take the old one away for disposal is a much less attractive proposition, especially if the boater doesn't want to pay a lot for this -- the cost is likely to be rather a lot of beer tokens, and it's also probably the kind of job a lot of installers don't really want to do... 😞 

Edited January 15Jan 15 by IanD

I'm sure my old engineer who unfortunately is nowhere near you would have ordered your cooked  turned up with a mate, and done exact what you want. At a price  which would have been two blokes work for a day and carriage and disposal costs.

The logical thing to do is just ring everyone you can think of up, tell them what you want done  and get a price.

It's obvious on here that nobody knows anyone who fits the bill

 

 

2 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

It's obvious on here that nobody knows anyone who fits the bill

Wakefield to Doncaster, there just aren't that many boats and hence there isn't an extensive network of boat fixing artisans, like you can find in the Midlands.