Gas cooker installation

[Memories]

Ok, now I know that getting stuff done on a boat is no simple task but getting a company to sell me a new cooker and go it it along with removal of the old one is nigh on impossible!

 

To this end, I ask any and all of you, do you know any company that sells new gas LPG cookers, delivers them, fits them and removes the old one?

 

I am in and around Doncaster and Wakefield so some in that area would be ideal.

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, Memories said:

To this end, I ask any and all of you, do you know any company that sells new gas LPG cookers, delivers them, fits them and removes the old one?

 

You'll probably find that sellers of domestic appliances will rarely be certified for installation of gas appliance on boats (a special 'ticket'is required to work on boats as they are very different to houses or caravans)

 

You may have to do a bit of work yourself .............

 

1) Buy the cooker you want.

2) Meet the delivery carrier at a suitable bridge etc

3) Get a trolley and take it to the boat yourself.

4) Go on line and find a gas fitter / installer who is certified to work on LPG on boats.

5) Find a scrap yard close to the canal and take your old cooker to them.

 

Unfortunately (or fortunataly) living on a boat is not the same as a house - you need to be a lot more proactive and do stuff yourself.

 

[ditchcrawler]

10 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

You'll probably find that sellers of domestic appliances will rarely be certified for installation of gas appliance on boats (a special 'ticket'is required to work on boats as they are very different to houses or caravans)

 

You may have to do a bit of work yourself .............

 

1) Buy the cooker you want.

2) Meet the delivery carrier at a suitable bridge etc

3) Get a trolley and take it to the boat yourself.

4) Go on line and find a gas fitter / installer who is certified to work on LPG on boats.

5) Find a scrap yard close to the canal and take your old cooker to them.

 

Unfortunately (or fortunataly) living on a boat is not the same as a house - you need to be a lot more proactive and do stuff yourself.

 

Or possibly find a gas fitter to do the work and have the cooker delivered to him and then pay him to deliver it to you, fit it and scrap your old one.

[Memories]

21 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

You'll probably find that sellers of domestic appliances will rarely be certified for installation of gas appliance on boats (a special 'ticket'is required to work on boats as they are very different to houses or caravans)

 

You may have to do a bit of work yourself .............

 

1) Buy the cooker you want.

2) Meet the delivery carrier at a suitable bridge etc

3) Get a trolley and take it to the boat yourself.

4) Go on line and find a gas fitter / installer who is certified to work on LPG on boats.

5) Find a scrap yard close to the canal and take your old cooker to them.

 

Unfortunately (or fortunataly) living on a boat is not the same as a house - you need to be a lot more proactive and do stuff yourself.

 

Well mate if only life and my situation in particular were that simple.

 

I am on my own, nobody to call on for assistance at all, the opening to the boat is 50.5cm the cooker has to be a 50cm so trying to manipulate it through the gap on my own will be a pain in the arse to say the least.

 

Then there is also the fact that legally and to be covered by insurance, a gas safe engineer is required to disconnect and to connect a gas cooker. If an engineer is LPG qualified then they are qualified to fit it on a boat.

 

Boat regulation and certification is no doubt different, the same stringent rules apply to any gas fitting it is a matter of being LPG qualified or not.

 

If I had someone to help me with taking the old one out and bringing the new one on the boat, I would probably wing it as you suggest but not on my own.

11 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

Or possibly find a gas fitter to do the work and have the cooker delivered to him and then pay him to deliver it to you, fit it and scrap your old one.

Getting one delivered is not a problem, even Curry's will deliver.

 

The problem is getting it on the boat and the old one off, the old one has to come out before the new one goes in.

 

It is all easier if you have mates or family to help, it doesn't even pose a issue. But I do not have that luxury.

[ditchcrawler]

11 minutes ago, Memories said:

 

Getting one delivered is not a problem, even Curry's will deliver.

 

The problem is getting it on the boat and the old one off, the old one has to come out before the new one goes in.

 

It is all easier if you have mates or family to help, it doesn't even pose a issue. But I do not have that luxury.

That is why I suggested getting it delivered to the fitter and pay him to , bring it, put it on the boat, install it and take the old one away 

[Tony Brooks]

16 minutes ago, Memories said:

f an engineer is LPG qualified then they are qualified to fit it on a boat.

 

Not according to GasSafe, they also need both LPG and marine endorsements on their certificate. I am not 100% sure, but I strongly suspect that if they fitted it with a typical domestic bayonet hose and a chain movement limiter, as a domestic LPG Gas safe bod might, you would get a BSS fail and arguably be uninsured.

 

I suspect that you may have to buy from a canal side chandler and get them to help you get it aboard, or pay a marina/boatyard to supply and fit.

 

[Speedwheel]

25 minutes ago, Memories said:

If an engineer is LPG qualified then they are qualified to fit it on a boat.

 

Boat regulation and certification is no doubt different, the same stringent rules apply to any gas fitting it is a matter of being LPG qualified or not.

 

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. They have to complete an additional boats/yachts/marine module to work on boats.

[MtB]

22 minutes ago, Memories said:

Then there is also the fact that legally and to be covered by insurance, a gas safe engineer is required to disconnect and to connect a gas cooker. If an engineer is LPG qualified then they are qualified to fit it on a boat.

 

Being an LPG qualified gas engineer myself this is news to me.

 

My own understanding is that LPG qualifed engineers such as myself cannot work on boats unless we also hold the additional qualification "LPG Boats". I don't hold this extra qualification before you ask!

 

In addition, anyone fitting a gas cooker (or any gas work at all) only needs to be "competent" according to gas law. Membership of Gas Safe Register is only mandatory if they are charging money or receiving reward for their gas work.

 

Just to set the record straight. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, Memories said:

If an engineer is LPG qualified then they are qualified to fit it on a boat.

 

You have been misinformed, but hey-ho, it's your boat

[Memories]

I spoke to a couple of gas engineers and have been assured there is no difference as long as the engineer is LPG qualified then that is sufficient.

 

The pipework on my boat is all copper anyway so the only difference is that it is LPG not mains gas.

 

The fact that the cooker is on a boat not a motorhome or park home makes no difference what so ever.

 

The gas fitter fits gas appliances the BSC inspection checks the secure and safe storage of gas on boats and functionality of appliances, compliance and safety.

 

So I can see why an inspector may need a boat specific qualification but as to a gas engineer who is merely concerned with the safe connection of a gas appliance to an already present gas supply.

9 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

You have been misinformed, but hey-ho, it's your boat

I ain't after a argument mate.

 

The engineers qualification is not the issue here.

 

The issue is getting someone to take the old one and to supply and put the new one on.

A gas engineer is required to disconnect as well as connect, so I would be using someone qualified anyway.

55 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

Not according to GasSafe, they also need both LPG and marine endorsements on their certificate. I am not 100% sure, but I strongly suspect that if they fitted it with a typical domestic bayonet hose and a chain movement limiter, as a domestic LPG Gas safe bod might, you would get a BSS fail and arguably be uninsured.

 

I suspect that you may have to buy from a canal side chandler and get them to help you get it aboard, or pay a marina/boatyard to supply and fit.

 

Hold the phone everyone!

 

We are getting well off the main topic which was any know a company that will supply a new cooker remove the old one and fit the new one. That is the topic.

[MtB]

7 minutes ago, Memories said:

I ain't after a argument mate.

 

You obviously are, given you have decided to contradict pretty much every well-informed response to your OP.

 

I'll leave you to it, given you prefer the advice of obviously thick-as-mince gas engineers who are obviously just telling you what you want to hear. 

 

Mate.

 

 

 

[Alan de Enfield]

17 minutes ago, Memories said:

I spoke to a couple of gas engineers and have been assured there is no difference as long as the engineer is LPG qualified then that is sufficient.

 

The pipework on my boat is all copper anyway so the only difference is that it is LPG not mains gas.

 

The fact that the cooker is on a boat not a motorhome or park home makes no difference what so ever.

 

 

You have been misinformed.

 

The installation requirements of a boat are very different to a caravan - if there is a leak with a caravan the gas can escape thru the floor vents and is dispersed.

 

In a boat a leak will just result in the hull filling full of gas until the boat goes boom !

 

I challenge you to contact Gas Safe and ask them if an engineer needs a special 'ticket' to install on boats and then post their reply.

Edited January 14 by Alan de Enfield

[LadyG]

13 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

Not according to GasSafe, they also need both LPG and marine endorsements on their certificate. I am not 100% sure, but I strongly suspect that if they fitted it with a typical domestic bayonet hose and a chain movement limiter, as a domestic LPG Gas safe bod might, you would get a BSS fail and arguably be uninsured.

 

I suspect that you may have to buy from a canal side chandler and get them to help you get it aboard, or pay a marina/boatyard to supply and fit.

 

My BSC examiner is also a gas fitter, he is very obliging and I am sure he can do this for you, but it is going to cost, because its going to take him a working day. The BSC alone will be about £200, and you can't also expect him to move appliances for you etc etc.

I am assuming that your boat has gas piping , a gas locker, with ventilation and pipe runs to a suitable location. I think you will need to find a bod to assist with removal and bringing the new appliance etc etc.

Until you have worked out a clear plan, you can't really expect anyone to come along to discuss your plan. What I did, at the suggestion of my gas safe, boat endorsed, examiner / fitter was to pay his travel, cash in hand, so he has not wasted two hours.

Most new cookers on sale in the high street will be ready to instal on mains gas not lpg, give Midland chandlers a ring instead. It may be a good idea to buy a cooker with identical dimensions.

So, once you have your appliance, and arranged swap etc, try Richard Fee to fit it.

 Google Gas Safe,  Boat, Boat Safety Examiner.

In my opinion you should probanly take the oportunity get a new Boat Safety Certificate, depends on circumstances.

PS what is wrong with old cooker? How much is the new one? Is it essential to replace it? ...

PPS  you would do well to listen to MtB who knows rather more than most people about the subject.

PPPS  You have been talking to the wrong people, it would probably be most unwise to involve them. Do make every effort to be polite in future because upsetting people is not the way to go

If you PM me i can give you a name of someone who did some work for me, once.

Edited January 15 by LadyG

[Memories]

46 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

You have been misinformed.

 

The installation requirements of a boat are very different to a caravan - if there is a leak with a caravan the gas can escape thru the floor vents and is dispersed.

 

In a boat a leak will just result in the hull filling full of gas until the boat goes boom !

 

I challenge you to contact Gas Safe and ask them if an engineer needs a special 'ticket' to install on boats and then post their reply.

Ok ok ok, so maybe I have been misinformed regarding the engineers qualifications.

 

However, this is not the issue.

 

The question is does anyone know anywhere that sells and fits cookers on a Narrowboat and takes the old one away.

 

That is basically my topic, not the qualifications of the engineer.

[LadyG]

9 hours ago, Memories said:

Ok ok ok, so maybe I have been misinformed regarding the engineers qualifications.

 

However, this is not the issue.

 

The question is does anyone know anywhere that sells and fits cookers on a Narrowboat and takes the old one away.

 

That is basically my topic, not the qualifications of the engineer.

I think we are all assuming that you want to have a new cooker on a boat which has an existing cooker AND that this boat is on a canal, or will, at some time be on waters which require both insurance AND a Boat Safety Cerificate. The two are linked. 

You may be able to find a competent person to fit a cooker, but unless he is qualified to the standards previously mentioned, he can fit it but he cant issue a BSC,  you are possibly not complying with the terms of the CRT Licence, and may void your insurance. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.

Bayonet fittings were used for years, to connect appliance to the supply, but they may not satisfy any particular. Examiner in any particular instance.

To summarise :  It matters little to the CRT and the Boat Safety Scheme how competent your fitter is,  they require you to comply with their Ts and Cs. 

 

Edited January 15 by LadyG

[Alan de Enfield]

On 14/01/2026 at 00:01, Alan de Enfield said:

You'll probably find that sellers of domestic appliances will rarely be certified for installation of gas appliance on boats

 

I repeat the 1st reply :

 

You'll probably find that sellers of domestic appliances will rarely be certified for installation of gas appliance on boats 

 

Marine chandlers tend to be just a 'shop' they will sell it and even arrange delivery, but they do not offer an installation option.

Boat Qualified gas fitters will generally be 'one man bands' operating from their home/van and are very unlikely to supply the cookers etc

 

I am not being antagonistic, but you really do need to realise that a boat is not the same as a house, and neither are the companies selling / installing gas cookers.

 

There was a suggestion above which may be worth following up on.

Find a qualified engineer ask him if he will do the job and ask him if  you can buy (and obvioulsy pay for) the cooker you want and have it delivered to him for him to bring to the boat and do the installation.

 

1 minute ago, LadyG said:

I think we are all assuming that you want to have a new cooker on a boat which has an existing cooker...................

 

As he wants someone to take away the old cooker, its probably a reasonable assumption.

[MrsM]

To the OP: this isn't an answer to your question but a polite reminder that people here are all unpaid interested individuals and this is a DISCUSSION forum. You cannot dictate how other people respond to a thread, regardless of whether or not you started it. This is not a free professional advice line despite the fact that many experienced professionals generously give up their time to help people. Good luck with your mission to find someone to help move your ovens. Is there a 'man-with-a-van' service near to where you are based?

[LadyG]

The answer is no.

Edited January 15 by LadyG

[David Mack]

41 minutes ago, LadyG said:

Bayonet fittings were used for years, to connect appliance to the supply, but they are no longer compliant.

Why do you think this? The BSS permits them:

[LadyG]

9 hours ago, David Mack said:

Why do you think this? The BSS permits them:

 

I think this because my well qualified BSC Examiner told me he intended to fit a copper coil. He attends the BSS training as required, and it's his job to sign off the certificate, so it's up to him to use his judgement to some extent.

It is possible that the braided hose mentioned above is not the same type as that which was replaced, it is also possible that the rules have changed since the publication of that particular edition above, or even that he could envisage that the rules would be changing (the validity of certain aspects of the BSC scheme have been questioned in the past) .

My armoured hose was probably more than twenty years old, in my opinion it was probably in need of replacement, but I would not know when it should have been replaced.

He fitted a coil of copper pipe instead. Its a fitted cooker.

I can understand the argument, the hose that is inside the armoured flexible piping is not examinable.  Any gas hose on the boat has the required printed detail and is examinable.

PS. I am a liveaboard and dont want a bubble tester.

PPS the OP is looking at buying a new cooker, to run on lpg, not mains gas.

I think he/she needs to make sure the new appliance has been 'converted' if that is necessary.

 

Edited January 15 by LadyG

[Memories]

1 hour ago, LadyG said:

I think we are all assuming that you want to have a new cooker on a boat which has an existing cooker AND that this boat is on a canal, or will, at some time be on waters which require both insurance AND a Boat Safety Cerificate. The two are linked. 

You may be able to find a competent person to fit a cooker, but unless he is qualified to the standards previously mentioned, he can fit it but he cant issue a BSC,  you are possibly not complying with the terms of the CRT Licence, and may void your insurance. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.

Bayonet fittings were used for years, to connect appliance to the supply, but they are no longer compliant.

To summarise :  It matters little to the CRT and the Boat Safety Scheme how competent your fitter is,  they require you to comply with their Ts and Cs. 

 

Lady g please look at my original topic, we are so far away from the original question it is unbelievable 

[Peanut]

17 minutes ago, Memories said:

Lady g please look at my original topic, we are so far away from the original question it is unbelievable 

That's quite normal on here.

Their just as likely to discuss how to get coal delivered along a muddy tow-path, or the difficulty of getting their dog to a vet.

Best just to chill, and let them.

 

Quite likely, they feel your post has been answered already, but perhaps not to your satisfaction, and there is not much more they can add.

[LadyG]

38 minutes ago, Memories said:

Lady g please look at my original topic, we are so far away from the original question it is unbelievable 

I'm well aware of the question. The answer is no: I dont know anyone, and it is extremely unlikely that anyone could or would offer this service. I did ask you to pm me if you wanted a contact.

The reason for the discussion is to educate you and save you from making a mistake. Someone who fits out houses or caravans may not even be aware that boats used on inland UK waters must meet certain regulations, and that Certification is required. It's not simple and its not obvious,

 

Edited January 15 by LadyG

[tree monkey]

Take the boat to a marina with a in house maintenance team and ask them

[Jen-in-Wellies]

45 minutes ago, tree monkey said:

Take the boat to a marina with a in house maintenance team and ask them

This. It is the closest to an all in one service that the OP will find on the canals. They should be able to take delivery, dispose of waste and have access to an LPG and boat certified gas fitter and BSS inspector. They will want paying for all this though. Stanilands in Thorne isn't far from Doncaster. Two in Goole. My knowledge runs out towards Wakefield, but there is one in Wakefield itself.