What type of license?

[nealeST]

Here’s a scenario:

 

Man buys boat other side of the country. Arranges to have boat on its present mooring for six weeks. Man then takes boat quitting the mooring in Marina  on other side of country and begins the journey to his locality. He decides to take his time. He arrives at his locality two months later, and takes a leisure mooring ( none residential ) at his local marina.

 

Question, which license does he buy? He doesn’t want to pay for the leisure mooring until he arrives. He doesn’t really need a CC license either when he buys the boat initially because he can’t move it for six weeks. 
 

Help gladly received!

[Momac]

What genuine and honest evidence will there be of a home mooring contract at the date when the license is to start ?

[GUMPY]

Just by a normal licence using the original marina as your home marina, when you get to the new marina just change the location on the cart website.

 

[dmr]

A small number of marinas do not require a CRT licence. Assuming this is not the case here, and if the mooring contract for the new mooring has not yet started then it would have to be declared as a CC'er because it does not have a home mooring of at least 6 months duration.  Once settled at the new mooring, with a contract, you could talk to CRT about a change and possible small refund.

[Momac]

PS 

Thinking about this a bit more.

C&RT will not sell you a home mooring license until after they have verified you have a long term mooring contract . So you may have to buy a CC license .

Its not essential to buy a full years license . You could buy a six month cc license then convert to home mooring license ready for the next renewal,

 

[nealeST]

10 minutes ago, Momac said:

What genuine and honest evidence will there be of a home mooring contract at the date when the license is to start ?

Yes, I see what you mean. 

 

10 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Just by a normal licence using the original marina as your home marina, when you get to the new marina just change the location on the cart website.

 

That keeps things simple.

 

7 minutes ago, dmr said:

A small number of marinas do not require a CRT licence. Assuming this is not the case here, and if the mooring contract for the new mooring has not yet started then it would have to be declared as a CC'er because it does not have a home mooring of at least 6 months duration.  Once settled at the new mooring, with a contract, you could talk to CRT about a change and possible small refund.

probably the most likely outcome…

1 minute ago, Momac said:

PS 

Thinking about this a bit more.

C&RT will not sell you a home mooring license until after they have verified you have a long term mooring contract . So you may have to buy a CC license .

Its not essential to buy a full years license . You could buy a six month cc license then convert to home mooring license ready for the next renewal,

 

I think that settles the matter. Thank you for the input!

[haggis]

14 minutes ago, GUMPY said:

Just by a normal licence using the original marina as your home marina, when you get to the new marina just change the location on the cart website.

 

I don't think it is now just a case of saying where you moor. You have to provide proof (contract ? ) of  your mooring. 

[MrsM]

Assuming the man is not trying to 'game the system' he could simply ring CRT and ask them.

[ditchcrawler]

1 minute ago, haggis said:

I don't think it is now just a case of saying where you moor. You have to provide proof (contract ? ) of  your mooring. 

I had to when I moved from Alvecote  

[nealeST]

6 minutes ago, MrsM said:

Assuming the man is not trying to 'game the system' he could simply ring CRT and ask them.

On the suggestions here the man is buying a CC license and then declaring himself with a home mooring once he arrives at his destination. The man of course will explain to the CRT what his intentions are with full transparency when he gladly buys his first boat license. 

[MrsM]

If he has already arranged his new leisure mooring (and can provide evidence of this) surely he should be able to get a standard home mooring licence ? What does it matter how long he takes to make the journey? No different from when we used to leave our home mooring in the spring for our travels over the next 3-4 months. 

[Jonny P]

Just now, MrsM said:

If he has already arranged his new leisure mooring (and can provide evidence of this) surely he should be able to get a standard home mooring licence ? What does it matter how long he takes to make the journey? No different from when we used to leave our home mooring in the spring for our travels over the next 3-4 months. 

That would be OK if the two contracts were continuous but I suspect there will be a gap between them. Hence the demonstrably “above board” thing to do is to declare no home mooring until reaching the new marina.

[MrsM]

6 minutes ago, Jonny P said:

That would be OK if the two contracts were continuous but I suspect there will be a gap between them. Hence the demonstrably “above board” thing to do is to declare no home mooring until reaching the new marina.

I see. Yes I agree. I suppose there is no point starting to pay for a leisure mooring until you actually arrive, and the money that saves would more than offset the small extra cost of a CC licence. 

[Jonny P]

1 minute ago, MrsM said:

I see. Yes I agree. I suppose there is no point starting to pay for a leisure mooring until you actually arrive, and the money that saves would more than offset the small extra cost of a CC licence. 

Spot on

[BoatingLifeUpNorth2]

I had this dilemma last year, my partner bought a new boat, to get a HM licence at her home mooring, her and the home mooring marina had to sign and submit a home mooring form to CaRT licensing, stating she had a long term paid home mooring. CaRT said it would take 2 weeks to process her licence.

 In order to move the boat 200 miles from the broker within that 2 weeks she had to get a CCing licence to cover the move.

 With all the hassle she had once her HM licences was processed with cancelling her CCing licence, I wish I just moved it unlicensed, the rigmarole of cancelling the CC Direct Debit, paying for both licences for 2 months after the HM licence was issued and trying to get a refund from CaRT was an absolute pain.

 This was when the CCing and HM licences first came in and everything was new to the licensing staff, hopefully by now all the initial teething problems will have been sorted and the process may be easier and less stressful.

Edited May 22 by BoatingLifeUpNorth2

[David Mack]

2 hours ago, Jonny P said:

That would be OK if the two contracts were continuous but I suspect there will be a gap between them. Hence the demonstrably “above board” thing to do is to declare no home mooring until reaching the new marina.

Unless, in order to secure a place at the second marina, he has to start paying for the berth from day one, even though he won't occupy it for some weeks. In that case he can declare the second marina as his home mooring from the start.

[ditchcrawler]

9 hours ago, David Mack said:

Unless, in order to secure a place at the second marina, he has to start paying for the berth from day one, even though he won't occupy it for some weeks. In that case he can declare the second marina as his home mooring from the start.

I scanned my receipt an sent that to CRT

[Gybe Ho]

Can the seller be persuaded to delay notifying the CRT of the change of ownership for 2 months? Then while to boat is in transit for 2 months the towpath spotting system will not trigger an alert.

 

Also worth mentioning that CRT licenses begin on whole calendar months so some fine tuning of the application date keeps another £100 in the bank.

[Momac]

11 minutes ago, Gybe Ho said:

Can the seller be persuaded to delay notifying the CRT of the change of ownership for 2 months? Then while to boat is in transit for 2 months the towpath spotting system will not trigger an alert.

That may be unwise as the OP would then not be in compliance with regulations  so his insurance, in the event of  a claim,  could be invalidated .

[Jonny P]

17 minutes ago, Gybe Ho said:

Can the seller be persuaded to delay notifying the CRT of the change of ownership for 2 months? Then while to boat is in transit for 2 months the towpath spotting system will not trigger an alert.

 

Also worth mentioning that CRT licenses begin on whole calendar months so some fine tuning of the application date keeps another £100 in the bank.

Would not CRT still be requiring the person designated as the owner to have a valid licence?

 

In any case if the boat goes to brokerage CRT will be notified at that point.

[Wafi]

I had almost exactly this situation a few months ago; I'd reserved a berth at my destination marina, but didn't need (or want) to start paying until I arrived; I ended up not getting the necessary paperwork from the marina for CRT until a few weeks after I'd arrived.

 

I discussed with CRT by email; their advice was to buy an annual CC licence, then ask them to convert it to a "home mooring" licence when the paperwork came through. I did this, and everything seemed to work quite smoothly. I did raise the concern that I might get into trouble for staying in one place between arriving at my home marina and completing the licence conversion, but they told me it wouldn't be an issue.

 

Although the underlying process seems to be quite rigid, the CRT staff are very helpful so long as you're transparent about what you're trying to do (and obviously not taking the p*ss).

[Machpoint005]

13 hours ago, MrsM said:

If he has already arranged his new leisure mooring (and can provide evidence of this) surely he should be able to get a standard home mooring licence ? What does it matter how long he takes to make the journey? No different from when we used to leave our home mooring in the spring for our travels over the next 3-4 months. 

 

He is never going to be CC-ing. His boat can be based at his new marina for licensing purposes even if it hasn't been there yet. 

 

[Jonny P]

There seems to be a bit of confusion about licences based I think on the insistence on folk using the incorrect term “CC licence”, including CRT it seems.

 

Declaring no home mooring doesn’t oblige you to move every 14 days irrespective of other factors. You are quite entitled to use a paid mooring for as long you please and the provider allows. It just doesn’t alter your licence status unless it’s for more than six months and doesn’t have a termination date within your licence period.

 

Many boaters without home moorings do this.

[Wafi]

46 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

 

He is never going to be CC-ing. His boat can be based at his new marina for licensing purposes even if it hasn't been there yet. 

 

This only works if he's already paying for a berth at the new marina (and has paperwork to prove it) when he first takes out the licence. CRT won't now issue a home mooring licence without proof that you're already paying for that home mooring. The man in the OP's scenario quite reasonably doesn't want to start paying for the mooring until he's in a position to use it.

[BoatingLifeUpNorth2]

3 hours ago, Gybe Ho said:

Can the seller be persuaded to delay notifying the CRT of the change of ownership for 2 months? Then while to boat is in transit for 2 months the towpath spotting system will not trigger an alert.

 

Also worth mentioning that CRT licenses begin on whole calendar months so some fine tuning of the application date keeps another £100 in the bank.

That way the previous owner would be responsible for any enforcement breaches. Once the owner/broker sells the boat and all gone through, why should they still be responsible for the boat and the new owners actions?