Bridgewater breach

[haggis]

Now that the lovely weather is leaving us 🙂 we are off boating again starting next saturday. The plan is to go up the bridgewater as iain would like to have a look at where the canal breached. Is there a winding hole after the one at lymm? Our Nicholsons guides are on the boat and googling hasn't given me the answer :-).  After we have about turned we may head up the Llangollen but not sure we will get as far as the Ponty whatsit aqueduct!

[PeterF]

It all depends on where the dam is placed, there is a winding hole at Little Bollington, just a triangle cut into the offside bank between the water point and the breach sire.

 

From Canal Plan and Google Maps.

 

 

 

[haggis]

Thank you. I read that the canal is closed at Agden Bridge but I couldn't find where exactly that is! Didn't think of looking at canal Plan 🙂 

[junior]

@Liamcan probably give you some definitive advice.

[Liam]

The winding hole on the north side of Ye Olde No 3 by the Swan with 2 Nicks is still open and the furthest point you can on the southern side, and whilst you can turn a 70ft boat around there it's quite a tight spot now, because of the chain across the canal which is protecting the temporary damn.

 

HTH

Liam

[haggis]

1 minute ago, Liam said:

The winding hole on the north side of Ye Olde No 3 by the Swan with 2 Nicks is still open and the furthest point you can on the southern side, and whilst you can turn a 70ft boat around there it's quite a tight spot now, because of the chain across the canal which is protecting the temporary damn.

 

HTH

Liam

Thank you, Liam. That is very helpful. 

[ditchcrawler]

Just read this but its probably just a slightly different interpretation on what's been said Aim to reopen collapsed section of Bridgewater Canal by December 2026 | Warrington Guardian

[nealeST]

Canal plan is under the impression that the Bridgewater is fully navigable?? I have just had a route planned by it which includes the half mile stretch that is currently being fixed. It says navigation open, towpath closed? 

[Liam]

Nope, the big hole still remains...

[nealeST]

I’m a bit staggered Canal plan isn’t aware of this. Macclesfield canal it is then…

I'm assuming the bit of the Bridgewater Stretford to Leigh Branch is all ok?

Erm, except the breach at Bosley Lock 12 on the Macc? Crystal ball moment but surely that’s  fixed by September??

 

canal plan doesn’t seem to be aware of that problem either…

[Moke]

Isn’t the Macc closed as well?

[ditchcrawler]

5 minutes ago, nealeST said:

I’m a bit staggered Canal plan isn’t aware of this. Macclesfield canal it is then…

I'm assuming the bit of the Bridgewater Stretford to Leigh Branch is all ok?

Probably Bridgewater closures don't feed into the system, they even have problems with some of the CRT ones . Did you drop them a line to let them know about it?

[Kingdom Isambard Brunel]

Yes, in two places now.

[nealeST]

6 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Did you drop them a line to let them know about it?

I’ll do that….I had a vague idea there was a problem on the Macc. I hadn’t realised Canal plan was not up to date. You can’t get in or out the North west then currently?

10 minutes ago, Moke said:

Isn’t the Macc closed as well?

According to CRT Macclesfield canal is due to be fixed June 25th. That’s ok, I need to be heading that way end of August. 

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[Liam]

Yes the Bridgewater is all clear between Leigh and the northern side of the breach.

[nealeST]

What’s the Ashton Canal like? I need to go right through Manchester from the peak forest side. I hear it’s grim on the Rochdale….

[Mike Todd]

20 minutes ago, nealeST said:

I’ll do that….I had a vague idea there was a problem on the Macc. I hadn’t realised Canal plan was not up to date. You can’t get in or out the North west then currently?

According to CRT Macclesfield canal is due to be fixed June 25th. That’s ok, I need to be heading that way end of August. 

Until Keadby Rail bridge is fixed, it is a bit isolated down south

[nealeST]

Ok, I see Keadby Rail bridge is closed to June 22nd….

[Arthur Marshall]

54 minutes ago, nealeST said:

I’ll do that….I had a vague idea there was a problem on the Macc. I hadn’t realised Canal plan was not up to date. You can’t get in or out the North west then currently?

According to CRT Macclesfield canal is due to be fixed June 25th. That’s ok, I need to be heading that way end of August. 

The first Macc breach is due to be fixed then, but there's (yet) another stoppage at Bollington with currently no details as to repairs needed.

[nealeST]

Canal plan does have the Macclesfield stoppage, it’s right at the end of the plan, my route is around 180 miles…it’s a lot of scrolling to the bottom….😳

18 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

Bollington with currently no details as to repairs needed.

I’ve just found that they are issuing an update this Friday 13th. Repairs to the canal bed, they are rescuing fish whilst they dewater the stretch. 

[Gybe Ho]

1 hour ago, nealeST said:

I’m a bit staggered Canal plan isn’t aware of this. Macclesfield canal it is then…

I'm assuming the bit of the Bridgewater Stretford to Leigh Branch is all ok?

Erm, except the breach at Bosley Lock 12 on the Macc? Crystal ball moment but surely that’s  fixed by September??

 

canal plan doesn’t seem to be aware of that problem either…

 

Is CanalPlan aware of any closures? The integration required between Canal Plan and CRT closure notices would take quite a lot of coding particularly because both your planning and CRT closure notices are date effective. They would have to generate up to 365 network maps to capture all closures over the next year and many closure notices do not initially have a declared end date so to a computer a newly notified minor problem with no assessed end date appears to be an indefinite closure.

 

The CRT has stifled the development of decent 3rd party software for the canal network because they do not allow commercial applications to incorporate their public domain network data. 

6 minutes ago, nealeST said:

Canal plan does have the Macclesfield stoppage, it’s right at the end of the plan, my route is around 180 miles…it’s a lot of scrolling to the bottom….😳

I’ve just found that they are issuing an update this Friday 13th. Repairs to the canal bed, they are rescuing fish whilst they dewater the stretch. 

 

Is it just an advisory note on a calculated route that assumes the whole network is operational?

[nealeST]

Canal plan is fabulous, but now I’ve learned more about how to use it. From now on I will be checking all the routes on the CRT website in tandem. 

[ditchcrawler]

1 hour ago, nealeST said:

Canal plan is fabulous, but now I’ve learned more about how to use it. From now on I will be checking all the routes on the CRT website in tandem. 

Thats what I do. Pull the CRT stoppages up on their map and follow it through 

[David Mack]

6 hours ago, nealeST said:

What’s the Ashton Canal like? I need to go right through Manchester from the peak forest side. I hear it’s grim on the Rochdale….

Ashton and Rochdale are fine. They are urban canals with some of the issues you might expect, but they are certainly not the no-go areas which was the Ashton reputation about 30 years ago. That said, it is probably better not to leave the boat unattended and to choose overnight mooring locations with care.

[TheBiscuits]

9 hours ago, Gybe Ho said:

 

Is CanalPlan aware of any closures? The integration required between Canal Plan and CRT closure notices would take quite a lot of coding particularly because both your planning and CRT closure notices are date effective. They would have to generate up to 365 network maps to capture all closures over the next year and many closure notices do not initially have a declared end date so to a computer a newly notified minor problem with no assessed end date appears to be an indefinite closure.

 

The CRT has stifled the development of decent 3rd party software for the canal network because they do not allow commercial applications to incorporate their public domain network data. 

 

Is it just an advisory note on a calculated route that assumes the whole network is operational?

 

Yes, canalplan automatically updates with CRT stoppages from the data feed.  Haven't you ever looked at it? Or a video about it? 

 

The Bridgewater Canal don't publish a data feed so those go on manually.

 

Yes, it routes around stoppages where possible, yes it handles dates of stoppages, and yes it took a lot of work to get there.

 

Oh, and the developers are regular posters on here.