CRT’s policies are set to cost all boaters dearly.

[kris88]

When boat prices crash all boaters especially ones with exspensive boats are going to get stung badly. Of course your boat will still have some value. But what value, if it can’t be lived in on the towpath, and your at the mercy of private mooring operators as to how much it costs every year to park your boat. Who is going to give you tens of thousands for your boats then? Especially as no one except the older generation have got the money. 
All boaters have a vested interest in survival of the waterways as a navigable thing as soon as you can’t navigate. They just become “housing.” anyway. 

[Paul C]

Do you have a list of CRT Policies? (I've done my own research but I can't post it).

Edited January 8 by Paul C

[Tonka]

2 minutes ago, kris88 said:

When boat prices crash all boaters especially ones with exspensive boats are going to get stung badly. Of course your boat will still have some value. But what value, if it can’t be lived in on the towpath, and your at the mercy of private mooring operators as to how much it costs every year to park your boat. Who is going to give you tens of thousands for your boats then? Especially as no one except the older generation have got the money. 
All boaters have a vested interest in survival of the waterways as a navigable thing as soon as you can’t navigate. They just become “housing.” anyway. 

So you have started another thread because you do not like the answers you have gotten.

 

[Arthur Marshall]

That's just silly. The vast majority of boats are on moorings and in marinas already and people don't live on them. They're toys for holidays. 80% never leave the moorings from one year to the next. They don't give a toss if the canals are navigable any further than the nearet pub, at most.

[magnetman]

Isn't it something like 35000 licences? 

 

7000 cc ers? 

 

Thats 1 in 5. 

 

If Boat values were to reduce maybe Mr Challerove with his job, wife and 2 kids could afford to buy a Boat for pleasure. Lower upfront capital cost. Mooring fees are monthly affair not a capital affair. 

 

Boat cost £50k. Licence £1,000, Mooring £2,500. 

 

Own for 4 years £64k 

 

or Boat cost £25k. Licence £2,500, Mooring £4,000. 

 

Own for 4 years £51k. 

 

 

 

I know which one Mr Challerove would prefer. 

 

Lower Boat value doesn't matter to someone who is not intending to sell and using it as housing. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 8 by magnetman

[Tonka]

We should sue NBTA for the loss of value to our boats

[LadyG]

First three on Ignore, so fortunately i dont have to waste my time 

Edited January 8 by LadyG

[Marbling]

1 hour ago, Arthur Marshall said:

That's just silly. The vast majority of boats are on moorings and in marinas already and people don't live on them. They're toys for holidays. 80% never leave the moorings from one year to the next. They don't give a toss if the canals are navigable any further than the nearet pub, at most.

And I have often wondered who owns those 80%, but people do, and presumably it makes them happy, so why not?

[Adam]

A battered old 40ft Springer covered in B&M  gloss isn't worth much anyway - you're right though the prices are inflated by the current CC law (of this type of boat)

[magnetman]

Yes. Its not so much a reduction in value as a correction. A canal Boat, unless improvements are made or it is a very nice example, is a fundamentally depreciating asset but a situation arose where boring run of the mill canal Boats went up in value. 

 

It is obvious why. 

[kris88]

https://allpoetry.com/First-They-Came-For-The-Communists 

it’s facts that the ones who’s boats are worth more will lose most. 

Edited January 8 by kris88

[magnetman]

10 minutes ago, kris88 said:

https://allpoetry.com/First-They-Came-For-The-Communists 

it’s facts that the ones who’s boats are worth more will lose most. 

 

This is presupposing that the canal system is going to become unusable. Pessimism. 

 

That might well happen but it won't be related to any changes to the laws around living on towpaths. 

 

 

 

[Tonka]

11 minutes ago, kris88 said:

https://allpoetry.com/First-They-Came-For-The-Communists 

it’s facts that the ones who’s boats are worth more will lose most. 

I don't think so. They will only lose money but the parasitic scum that you appear to be part of could lose their home. 

Then who are going to pay the NBTA fees

[magnetman]

 

Also if Boats become cheaper there are people who will benefit from this. 

 

Those who have plenty of money can afford to lose some. 

[IanD]

8 minutes ago, magnetman said:

 

Also if Boats become cheaper there are people who will benefit from this. 

 

Those who have plenty of money can afford to lose some. 

The same applies to houses... 😉

[5239]

7 minutes ago, Tonka said:

Then who are going to pay the NBTA fees

do mean membership fees?

membership is free, 

or it was when I signed up 10 year or more ago,

 

[DandV]

There is also the group of boaters, of which we were one, who fall into the in-between category.

Those who continuously cruise for 5 to 6 months in the year, then abandon their boat, for 6 to 7 months on a "winter mooring" in a marina or with a canal club. On our cruising declaration with CART, we just said what we were doing, and let them decide how they classified it. We never found out how they classified us.

Our impression was that the annual licence fee was a bargain for the services received,  and the immense maintenance required to keep the system navigable. 

If charges have to rise to better balance income with required expenditure, so be it.

And if these increased charges displaces people from the canals, then again, so be it.

 

Housing inaffordabity is another quite separate problem.

An immense problem, that needs quite separate government, and urgent, action to address.

None of what I have just said diminishes my huge sympathy for those living on the very edge of being able to afford even very basic accommodation.

The failure of free-market policies to deliver even basic housing must be the greatest societal failure of our times. 

 

 

[Jerra]

3 hours ago, Tonka said:

So you have started another thread because you do not like the answers you have gotten.

 

To me another desperate attempt to get people to back his stance.  I doubt it will work.

 

Am I imagining things or has he only reappeared because he wants to push this propaganda rather than an interest in discussing boating in general?

[MtB]

3 hours ago, kris88 said:

When boat prices crash all boaters especially ones with exspensive boats are going to get stung badly. Of course your boat will still have some value. But what value, if it can’t be lived in on the towpath, and your at the mercy of private mooring operators as to how much it costs every year to park your boat. Who is going to give you tens of thousands for your boats then? Especially as no one except the older generation have got the money. 
All boaters have a vested interest in survival of the waterways as a navigable thing as soon as you can’t navigate. They just become “housing.” anyway. 

 

Plenty of boaters live on their boats in marinas even when they aren't supposed to. They do it using a technique called "keeping your head down and living under the radar".

 

I don't think you'd understand even if I explained it carefully. 

 

 

[Arthur Marshall]

1 hour ago, kris88 said:

https://allpoetry.com/First-They-Came-For-The-Communists 

it’s facts that the ones who’s boats are worth more will lose most. 

First rule of the internet: First mention of the Nazis loses the argument.

This is just clickbait and trolling. But I suppose it passes Kris's winter evenings now Thunderwotsits gone.

[MtB]

13 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

First rule of the internet: First mention of the Nazis loses the argument.

This is just clickbait and trolling. But I suppose it passes Kris's winter evenings now Thunderwotsits gone.

 

I don't think we have a forum guideline saying "No Clickbaiting". 

 

Perhaps we need one. 

 

Or does it come under the heading of "Disruptive behaviour"? 

 

 

[Ange]

1 hour ago, Arthur Marshall said:

First rule of the internet: First mention of the Nazis loses the argument.

This is just clickbait and trolling. But I suppose it passes Kris's winter evenings now Thunderwotsits gone.

Thunderboat does have a gentler successor. Not sure whether they've banned Kris or he chooses to post here instead, despite his avowed hatred of this forum.

Maybe best to ignore him? Another one who should just cry in the dark.

[peterboat]

3 hours ago, kris88 said:

https://allpoetry.com/First-They-Came-For-The-Communists 

it’s facts that the ones who’s boats are worth more will lose most. 

Only if you sell it.

[magnetman]

Ironically people out for pleasure might start using their Boats more if they thought the convenient and useful visitor moorings in desirable locations might be available.

 

It does not take much to alter thinking patterns. 

 

On the River we have this silly thing called 'the weather' which rules behaviour. I also know that people do alter their behaviour when they think they won't be able to moor where they wanted to. 

 

 

 

 

[Momac]

22 minutes ago, magnetman said:

I also know that people do alter their behaviour when they think they won't be able to moor where they wanted to. 

eg most people avoid bank holidays  because they think its going to be busy .