5 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

You what !

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw some of the newspaper headlines this morning ?

"MPs demand [Greg Wallace's] show is pulled".

WTF has it got to do with them ?

Because some women, a small number actually, of over sensitive humourless spineless women were apparently uncomfortable with Greg Wallace's humour ?

What has he actually done which is illegal ? I thought it was, err, nothing ?

What a mad mad mad world we live in.

Those MPs are a bunch of virtue signalling woke t0ssers.

I wonder which party they're from (cos' I'll never vote for them again) ?

 

Cobblers, everything I said is true :

 

If she'd been a genuinely strong woman she'd have put him right at the time, then forgotten all about it as it was pretty much nothing anyway.

Pathetic.

 

This "Me Too" stuff has gone far too far, it is infantilising women them and stereotyping them as pathetic creatures who get upset easily and cannot stand up for themselves.

My Mum was a genuinely strong character, she'd have had Wallace for breakfast if he'd have said something to upset her, not whined about it months or years later. Though the point is I don't think she would have got upset anyway.

You and men like you are the reason why people don’t report earlier on. 

I worked at a factory for a while in the 60s and had to walk through through a female staffed dept occasionally, the ripe comments aimed at me as a teenager felt quite scary at times and made me realise that in certain circumstances women are as bad, if not worse, than men.

 

Did I feel offended? No, just regretful I wasn't confident enough to return the comments in case I got lucky, now I'm too old to be leered at 🙁

 

ETA: There's only one thing worse than being leered at and that's not being leered at. 

Edited December 3, 20241 yr by nb Innisfree

18 minutes ago, nb Innisfree said:

I worked at a factory for a while in the 60s and had to walk through through a female staffed dept occasionally, the ripe comments aimed at me as a teenager felt quite scary at times and made me realise that in certain circumstances women are as bad, if not worse, than men.

 

Did I feel offended? No, just regretful I wasn't confident enough to return the comments in case I got lucky, now I'm too old to be leered at 🙁

Indeed. Years ago when I was a member of the ''Round Table'' we held our monthly meetings in a back room of a pub. We had to go into the main bar which was also a function room to get our drinks. During one meeting they were holding a Hen party in that main bar. The first time one of us went there for drinks came back in terrible shock, he was all but raped by the women. We went without drinks for the rest of the meeting.

10 minutes ago, bizzard said:

Indeed. Years ago when I was a member of the ''Round Table'' we held our monthly meetings in a back room of a pub. We had to go into the main bar which was also a function room to get our drinks. During one meeting they were holding a Hen party in that main bar. The first time one of us went there for drinks came back in terrible shock, he was all but raped by the women. We went without drinks for the rest of the meeting.

Wusses! 😊

1 hour ago, nb Innisfree said:

I worked at a factory for a while in the 60s and had to walk through through a female staffed dept occasionally, the ripe comments aimed at me as a teenager felt quite scary at times and made me realise that in certain circumstances women are as bad, if not worse, than men.

 

Did I feel offended? No, just regretful I wasn't confident enough to return the comments in case I got lucky, now I'm too old to be leered at 🙁

 

ETA: There's only one thing worse than being leered at and that's not being leered at. 

In 1979 as a newby I walked into my new post at a police station in full uniform. There was a well known but not to me female traffic warden in the office. In front of a couple of three others she smiled and grabbed me gently between the legs and said you are the new boy you will do. She was pushing sixty. I was briefly taken aback then grinned and carried on with my day. Imagine that these days!! I suppose the previous six years in the RN meant I wasn't at all phased but today lol.

Unsurprisingly spectacularly missing the point. 
In no way does anyone telling us their threshold for such occurrence negate a responsibility to ensure that consent is granted and understood. 
 

I have a couple of female friends who given the right set of circumstances, we can be really graphic with each other. The difference being is that we are very close friends that have a level of trust and knowledge of each other to understand that we all consent. Conversely, I have more friends that I would never be so crass with and I certainly wouldn’t assume people I do not know consent. 
 

Its fine if you are happy to be groped by a 60 year old, but to somehow use that as a reason why others should be equally happy about it is exactly where the problem lies. 
 

The weirdest thing to me is that this needs explaining to retired old coppers. Makes me feel sick 🤢 

9 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

In 1979 as a newby I walked into my new post at a police station in full uniform. There was a well known but not to me female traffic warden in the office. In front of a couple of three others she smiled and grabbed me gently between the legs and said you are the new boy you will do. She was pushing sixty. I was briefly taken aback then grinned and carried on with my day. Imagine that these days!! I suppose the previous six years in the RN meant I wasn't at all phased but today lol.

"Pushing 60" is young to me now!

1 minute ago, nb Innisfree said:

"Pushing 60" is young to me now!

Yeah and judging by some snowflake replies above some people think they know all about everything but in reality are pretty clueless. 

5 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Yeah and judging by some snowflake replies above some people think they know all about everything but in reality are pretty clueless. 

....says the most clueless of all contributors. 'Pushing 60' is probably the only exercise you get these days

1 minute ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

....says the most clueless of all contributors. 'Pushing 60' is probably the only exercise you get these days

Coming from the likes of you that is truly hilarious.

12 minutes ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

....says the most clueless of all contributors. 'Pushing 60' is probably the only exercise you get these days

It’s as if the wheels turning but the hamsters dead.. 

 

I actually feel sorry for coppers old and new who have to wade through the likes of your counterparts on here, it must be a real kick in the teeth to be attacked from the inside in such a grim way. 
 

I’ve said it before, but I bet Tim and Phil are glad they didn’t have WhatsApp when they were in their roles… 

 

8 minutes ago, Wanted said:

It’s as if the wheels turning but the hamsters dead.. 

 

I actually feel sorry for coppers old and new who have to wade through the likes of your counterparts on here, it must be a real kick in the teeth to be attacked from the inside in such a grim way. 
 

I’ve said it before, but I bet Tim and Phil are glad they didn’t have WhatsApp when they were in their roles… 

 

To be honest Facebook was bad enough for the unthinking to drop themselves right in it, which is why some of us kept well clear of all such Social Media during our working lives. The somewhat discreditable could always deny having said something, but when it is posted on Social Media denial ceases to be an option

7 minutes ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

To be honest Facebook was bad enough for the unthinking to drop themselves right in it, which is why some of us kept well clear of all such Social Media during our working lives. The somewhat discreditable could always deny having said something, but when it is posted on Social Media denial ceases to be an option

Or forums I guess?  

 

weirdly, after I posted the above, this story popped up in my news feed. 
 

https://apple.news/AoWcITVTwTgapQg5jgZcALg

 

I’m sure they’ll have some support from some here.. 

1 hour ago, Wanted said:

Or forums I guess?  

 

weirdly, after I posted the above, this story popped up in my news feed. 
 

https://apple.news/AoWcITVTwTgapQg5jgZcALg

 

I’m sure they’ll have some support from some here.. 

Very probably

 

No wonder the public don't hold the police in very high esteem.

30 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Very probably

 

No wonder the public don't hold the police in very high esteem.

 

Isn't it deliciously ironic that a story about a pair of bad apples was reported by ... apple.news?

 

1 hour ago, Jerra said:

Very probably

 

No wonder the public don't hold the police in very high esteem.

It’s so difficult, I grew up with a distrust of police, when we were kids we  had our home smashed up and destroyed by police in a lay-by near Stone Henge, it was literally the end of the road life for my family as was, and we moved into bricks for a while. My Dad hated Police after that and it kind of rubbed off, Mum was a little more balanced in her view and taught us not to judge entire groups of people in the same way as that would make us no better than them. 
 

So with my pragmatic head on, I want to trust a police force and do believe that there are coppers that want to make a difference and actually help, but recent years have tested that, and the two on here don’t help!  

3 hours ago, mrsmelly said:

Yeah and judging by some snowflake replies above some people think they know all about everything but in reality are pretty clueless. 

Actually Tim it is you who is proving that you are the clueless one.

 

3 hours ago, Wanted said:

Or forums I guess?  

 

weirdly, after I posted the above, this story popped up in my news feed. 
 

https://apple.news/AoWcITVTwTgapQg5jgZcALg

 

I’m sure they’ll have some support from some here.. 

And I would be quite happy to name them both!

(And I have no doubt one of them will post an antagonistic reply towards me.)

42 minutes ago, Wanted said:

It’s so difficult, I grew up with a distrust of police, when we were kids we  had our home smashed up and destroyed by police in a lay-by near Stone Henge, it was literally the end of the road life for my family as was, and we moved into bricks for a while. My Dad hated Police after that and it kind of rubbed off, Mum was a little more balanced in her view and taught us not to judge entire groups of people in the same way as that would make us no better than them. 
 

So with my pragmatic head on, I want to trust a police force and do believe that there are coppers that want to make a difference and actually help, but recent years have tested that, and the two on here don’t help!  

Funnily enough, I grew up being told the police would always help me. I left the police in 1989, a long time ago and since then I have once been pulled up and breathalysed and apart from that I practicaly never interact with them. I still trust them and have found that as I do nothing criminal they never, absolutely never ever bother me. I never ever found the ccing rules onerous or difficult to understand either but some people do for some strange reason. As for " the two " on here I could not say as I know of at the very least four x on here so which two you mean I know not, having said that never having met any of the others I would certainly feel safer with Phil at my back than any others judging by what I have read. 

8 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Funnily enough, I grew up being told the police would always help me. I left the police in 1989, a long time ago and since then I have once been pulled up and breathalysed and apart from that I practicaly never interact with them. I still trust them and have found that as I do nothing criminal they never, absolutely never ever bother me. I never ever found the ccing rules onerous or difficult to understand either but some people do for some strange reason. As for " the two " on here I could not say as I know of at the very least four x on here so which two you mean I know not, having said that never having met any of the others I would certainly feel safer with Phil at my back than any others judging by what I have read. 

And what, pray tell do you think a family in a small bus were doing so wrong to have every window smashed in with batons and get dragged into the road? 
 

I’m glad you haven’t been exposed to some of the other realities of life, but none of that gives you the right to assume others might not have enjoyed your particular privilege. Or is it really guilty until proven otherwise? 

2 minutes ago, Wanted said:

And what, pray tell do you think a family in a small bus were doing so wrong to have every window smashed in with batons and get dragged into the road? 
 

I’m glad you haven’t been exposed to some of the other realities of life, but none of that gives you the right to assume others might not have enjoyed your particular privilege. Or is it really guilty until proven otherwise? 

A friend of mine never really recovered from the Battle of the Beanfield.

4 minutes ago, Wanted said:

And what, pray tell do you think a family in a small bus were doing so wrong to have every window smashed in with batons and get dragged into the road? 
 

I’m glad you haven’t been exposed to some of the other realities of life, but none of that gives you the right to assume others might not have enjoyed your particular privilege. Or is it really guilty until proven otherwise? 

No where did I say anything about your experiences, I just mentioned my own. 

1 hour ago, Wanted said:

It’s so difficult, I grew up with a distrust of police, when we were kids we  had our home smashed up and destroyed by police in a lay-by near Stone Henge, it was literally the end of the road life for my family as was, and we moved into bricks for a while. My Dad hated Police after that and it kind of rubbed off, Mum was a little more balanced in her view and taught us not to judge entire groups of people in the same way as that would make us no better than them. 
 

So with my pragmatic head on, I want to trust a police force and do believe that there are coppers that want to make a difference and actually help, but recent years have tested that, and the two on here don’t help!  

I grew up with a family friend who was a policeman, naturally I trusted them.  Then I moved to my first teaching post and the trouble began, I was frankly harassed for no apparent reason, and I mean no apparent reason,  I had never done anything vaguely wrong for example one night I was turning into a car park I was crosways on in the road and the indicators had cancelled when a cop car came into view.  He followed me into the car park and said" your indicators don't work!" not did you indicate or are you sure your indicators are working but a straight out bad tempered statement that they didn't work.  He reluctantly accepted he was  wrong when I demonstrated.  There were many more such incidents.

 

I am afraid that now I wouldn't trust a cop as far as I could throw them.

10 minutes ago, Jerra said:

I grew up with a family friend who was a policeman, naturally I trusted them.  Then I moved to my first teaching post and the trouble began, I was frankly harassed for no apparent reason, and I mean no apparent reason,  I had never done anything vaguely wrong for example one night I was turning into a car park I was crosways on in the road and the indicators had cancelled when a cop car came into view.  He followed me into the car park and said" your indicators don't work!" not did you indicate or are you sure your indicators are working but a straight out bad tempered statement that they didn't work.  He reluctantly accepted he was  wrong when I demonstrated.  There were many more such incidents.

 

I am afraid that now I wouldn't trust a cop as far as I could throw them.

I've had similar situations when a copper outright made up an infringement and wouldn't back down.

My Dad, when he was serving in NATO in Belgium, greatly enjoyed knowing that Belgian police were under military law, and he outranked the vast majority of them.

1 hour ago, Wanted said:

It’s so difficult, I grew up with a distrust of police, when we were kids we  had our home smashed up and destroyed by police in a lay-by near Stone Henge, it was literally the end of the road life for my family as was, and we moved into bricks for a while. My Dad hated Police after that and it kind of rubbed off, Mum was a little more balanced in her view and taught us not to judge entire groups of people in the same way as that would make us no better than them. 
 

So with my pragmatic head on, I want to trust a police force and do believe that there are coppers that want to make a difference and actually help, but recent years have tested that, and the two on here don’t help!  

I would have to say that had I remained in London I would never have joined the Police since the Met were well known for being as bent as nine bob note, coupled with personal experiences. The most aggressive incident was actually related to a friend of mine whose father was a Police Officer. We were all aged about 18 and gone for a pretty harmless night out at a local table tennis club (that just happened to have a bar!). After finishing at the club, and being the driver I hadn't been drinking, we drove on to a Wimpy Bar (remember them) for some food I had a couple of mates in my car and the Policeman's son had three in his. Nothing particularly special about the trip, I got through a set of traffic lights just before they changed and my friend got held up, so we carried on since we all knew where we were going. We got to the Wimpy Bar and sat in the car chatting for about 10 minutes or so by which time my friend still hadn't arrived so we started getting concerned. We then retraced our route and about 2 miles back found our friend with his car smashed  all over the road having hit a parked car and and now with three Police vehicles at the scene. We were obviously concerned whether any friends had been injured but we were just immediately met with aggression from the Officers who were there. One of them had me back against the car insisting upon breathalyzing me and then started accusing me of causing the accident by 'leading Steve on' (they already the driver was a Policeman's son) and 'racing him'. When I quite rightly stated that I had no idea how the accident had happened as I wasn't there,I was then called a liar. Basically they seemed to be trying to pin the accident on me because a Policeman's car had now been written off. I have a good idea of what had happened because I'd travelled with 'Steve' on a number of occasions and he had a very worrying habit of passing way too close to parked cars and I would guess on this occasion had simply misjudged it. Sadly the thugs who were dealing with the accident were looking for a scapegoat. There were other incidents with the Met whilst living in London, but that was probably the most memorable simply for the level of aggression. It was after I moved from London that I found out that not all Forces are like the Met (fortunately).

17 minutes ago, Jerra said:

I grew up with a family friend who was a policeman, naturally I trusted them.  Then I moved to my first teaching post and the trouble began, I was frankly harassed for no apparent reason, and I mean no apparent reason,  I had never done anything vaguely wrong for example one night I was turning into a car park I was crosways on in the road and the indicators had cancelled when a cop car came into view.  He followed me into the car park and said" your indicators don't work!" not did you indicate or are you sure your indicators are working but a straight out bad tempered statement that they didn't work.  He reluctantly accepted he was  wrong when I demonstrated.  There were many more such incidents.

 

I am afraid that now I wouldn't trust a cop as far as I could throw them.

Its a strange old World isnt it. Several of the teachers I had the misfortune to meet where not only useless but should have been struck off for the violence they metered out to some kids. Of course back then the teacher was always right. However I understand fully that many were good and trustworthy.