Grounding queery

[truckcab79]

4 minutes ago, IanD said:

Do I need to point out that he accused the OP of being an AI before the OP had responded at all after his initial post? Or that after the OP -- understandably -- bit back at the tone of the replies, he immediately posted the diatribe I quoted earlier?

 

That's not humour or sarcasm, it's just plain nasty.

 

Would he have said it to the OPs face in real life? Almost certainly not, because he might well have been clocked as a result.

 

That's hiding behind a keyboard, and -- as pointed out earlier -- it's all too common online in general, and on CWDF in particular... 😞 

 

Oh yes I forgot -- it's against CWDF rules too, but then nobody takes a blind bit of notice of those unless they're reported to the mods, do they?

 

You’re right on every count IanD but you’re wasting your breath. This forum is an echo-chamber of nastiness and self-importance, with minimal actual knowledge.  
 

I was actually contacted directly by an admin / mod a little way back and asked to bear with them as they are trying to change it. I see no sign of it happening though to be honest. 
 

Do what I do - don’t post any questions, pop in occasionally to wind them up, and then head back to Facebook for the actual knowledge and camaraderie that is the norm in most parts of the boating world as far as I’ve experienced. 😂

 

Oh…..and to see what LadyG is posting.  Literally the only reason to stay on here. 😉

[IanD]

16 minutes ago, dogless said:

Sorry but that's nonsense.

 

Eight days after asking a ridiculously worded question it was suggested it may have been spam rather than a genuine enquiry.

 

Your outrage is misplaced I suggest.

 

Rog

 

I'm not outraged, just sadly disappointed at an all-too-usual occurrence. It seems that some people would rather CWDF turned into an argument arena for old boaters who hate anything new -- technology, ideas, people -- and rejoice in driving newer or younger or less well-informed people away, then saying "Good, we got rid of another one, sent 'em back to Faceache!".

 

Which is hardly a good recipe for a thriving online community for people genuinely interested in the canals... 😞 

 

9 minutes ago, truckcab79 said:

 

[snip] This forum is an echo-chamber of nastiness and self-importance, with minimal actual knowledge.  
 

I was actually contacted directly by an admin / mod a little way back and asked to bear with them as they are trying to change it. I see no sign of it happening though to be honest. 
 

[snip]

 

What's doubly unfortunate is that there *is* a lot of real canal/boat knowledge on CWDF, but people who are driven away by the nastiness and self-importance can't access it... 😞 

Edited October 8, 2024 by IanD

[Tony Brooks]

There are also a few members who, when someone tries to help, jump all over them and get insulting. Perhaps at last one of them would be better on Facebook.

[IanD]

2 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

There are also a few members who, when someone tries to help, jump all over them and get insulting. Perhaps at last one of them would be better on Facebook.

 

The problem is that the people who are knowledgeable and try to be genuinely helpful -- like you -- are collateral damage once the insults from the nasty squad start to fly... 😞 

Edited October 8, 2024 by IanD

[Tony Brooks]

Just now, IanD said:

 

The problem is that the people who are knowledgeable and try to be genuinely helpful -- like you -- are collateral damage once the insults from the nasty squad start to fly... 😞 

 

I also find it galling that when one has spent time trying to answer a question, the next response from the questioner has a rather nasty tone and fails to knowledge the help offered. All too often, only then do things get nasty. Acknowledging help, even if it is not what the questioner had in mind, reasonably promptly would avoid all this.

[IanD]

15 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

I also find it galling that when one has spent time trying to answer a question, the next response from the questioner has a rather nasty tone and fails to knowledge the help offered. All too often, only then do things get nasty. Acknowledging help, even if it is not what the questioner had in mind, reasonably promptly would avoid all this.

It would, but two wrongs don't make a right... 😉 

 

(and it's not surprising that some questioners have a nasty tone, given the nasty replies they've received from some posters)

 

I'm not saying all posters asking questions are innocent here, some of them are just as nasty/snarky/sniping as some CWDF veterans. But responding with more nastiness doesn't help anyone, except to start a flame war. Otherwise we end up like Gaza... 😞 

 

You have my sympathy -- you're one of the good guys here trying to help people not belittling them, and getting understandably exasperated sometimes... 🙂 

Edited October 8, 2024 by IanD

[Charliecharles]

Note the repliers proving exactly how valuable their time is while calling me entitled for wasting it hahaha

Honestly you have been entertaining gents 

 

[Peanut]

Generally speaking, it is a good idea, that if you can't say anything useful, then it is better not to say anything at all. Which might reduce the amount of aggro sometimes experienced here.

[Tony Brooks]

19 hours ago, Charliecharles said:

I didn't reply due to tone of the responses.

If you think you represent this forum well, you need to have a word with yourself.

You've chosen to waste your own time, and im glad to be part of it. Atleast youve had the joys of getting some mild arousal talking down to a 'newbie'.

 

So please explain exactly how the tone of my first reply to you had a bad tone and why you did not acknowledge it or ask for clarification.

 

I agree that my second post just might upset someone with an extremely thin skin, because I said that you do not seem to have grasped that to get a sensible answer we need a sensible question, and noting that you had not answered the few basic questions needed to be sure of an answer. However, if you want sensible help, you need to engage rather than sniping.

 

You will also note that I told some of those getting a bit upset with you that you should be given time to respond.

 

To be honest, I think that you owe me an apology, but I very much doubt that you see things that way.

 

By the way, I have no idea what the professional labour rate is now, but it is unlikely to be less than £40 an hour and more if paid via a marina/boatyard. As many of those who respond are either working or retired professionals, that tells you how much their advice would cost you out in the market. On some specialist subjects, the labour rate could easily run into three figures.

 

 

 

 

[nicknorman]

2 hours ago, dogless said:

Ah ... you're referring to Telemachus being sarcastic AFTER the event.

 

Fair enough ... but some, including me, consider that humour after someone asks an impossible question to answer and gets shirty when invited to expand.

 

Rog

Who is Telemachus? (on this forum!)

[Tam & Di]

I think the OP's last post saying "Honestly you have been entertaining gents" does suggest his reason for making an unanswerable post and not coming back to clarify his queeeery. (which he still seems not to have answered).

Edited October 8, 2024 by Tam & Di

[nicknorman]

1 hour ago, truckcab79 said:

 

Do what I do - don’t post any questions, pop in occasionally to wind them up, and then head back to Facebook for the actual knowledge and camaraderie that is the norm in most parts of the boating world as far as I’ve experienced. 😂

 

Oh…..and to see what LadyG is posting.  Literally the only reason to stay on here. 😉

 

Well thank you for admitting you are a troublemaker. But of course we already knew that! Why not put everyone on ignore except LadyG and they you would be happy. Oh sorry, I forgot that being happy is not something you seek.

[truckcab79]

Just now, Tam & Di said:

I think the OP's last post saying "Honestly you have been entertaining gents" does suggest his reason for making an unanswerable post and not coming back to clarify his queeeery.

Or he just got fed up with the abuse and gave up on a sensible, polite answer and disappeared like most newbies. 

[nicknorman]

35 minutes ago, Charliecharles said:

Note the repliers proving exactly how valuable their time is while calling me entitled for wasting it hahaha

Honestly you have been entertaining gents 

 

Jolly good. Now kindly disappear off back under your bridge.

26 minutes ago, Peanut said:

Generally speaking, it is a good idea, that if you can't say anything useful, then it is better not to say anything at all. Which might reduce the amount of aggro sometimes experienced here.

You can't say anything useful until an incoherent question is made more coherent. If your view is that no-one should post anything except a useful answer, then 90% of questions will go unanswered. It is a bit of a silly attitude.

[Charliecharles]

Inspired 

[truckcab79]

8 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

 

Well thank you for admitting you are a troublemaker. But of course we already knew that! Why not put everyone on ignore except LadyG and they you would be happy. Oh sorry, I forgot that being happy is not something you seek.

I couldn’t be more happy with my life.  And this forum amuses me. We should each get something different out of it. And that for me is it. 👍😂
 

I’ve got a few on ignore but just the really boring ones who can’t not answer every single post.
 

LadyG will never be on ignore. How else could I be made aware of the great international conspiracy for smoke alarm manufacturers to be swapping batteries or that Tap Warehouse is a secret organisation that exists only to harvest the contents of our bank accounts.  Stuff like that is essential knowledge. I’m not here just for stuff about boats. 😂

Edited October 8, 2024 by truckcab79

[Peanut]

6 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

You can't say anything useful until an incoherent question is made more coherent. If your view is that no-one should post anything except a useful answer, then 90% of questions will go unanswered. It is a bit of a silly attitude.

There is nothing to stop you posting a useful question in reply, without unneeded comment.

You as in anyone, nothing personal intended.

Edited October 8, 2024 by Peanut
anyone.

[truckcab79]

5 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

Jolly good. Now kindly disappear off back under your bridge.

You can't say anything useful until an incoherent question is made more coherent. If your view is that no-one should post anything except a useful answer, then 90% of questions will go unanswered. It is a bit of a silly attitude.

 

Not really. If you can help then post. If you can’t then don’t.  Unfortunately there are many on here that just reply to any old tosh just because they can’t bear that someone might think that they don’t ‘know everything about boats’. 

[nicknorman]

2 minutes ago, Peanut said:

There is nothing to stop you posting a useful question in reply, without unneeded comment.

You as in anyone, nothing personal intended.

Several people did, but the questioner decided to ignore them.

[TheBiscuits]

12 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

Who is Telemachus? (on this forum!)

 

I'm Telemachus and so's my wife!

 

Oh sorry, mixin-me-quotsies ...

[truckcab79]

Just now, nicknorman said:

Several people did, but the questioner decided to ignore them.

Ignore or wasn’t around to check replies?  

Either give your knowledge willingly and expect nothing in return or don’t do it at all. Do you have to have a public round of applause every time you post?  Confirms my many previous comments about why people post on here. It’s all about them, not about helping.  Very weird.  

[Peanut]

16 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

Several people did, but the questioner decided to ignore them.

I agree, they got polite replies requesting more information in order to help them, and also to be cut some slack. Their response was not what it should have been.

The questioner felt affronted by the tone of some of the replies, the latter ones had degenerated, and so the snowball started.

As said, two wrongs don't make a right, and a slanging match is just unneeded, even if you feel it's deserved.

If replies are rude, that reflects on the poster who made them, whoever they may be.

Take canal time, just chill, let it go by, If someone is rude, don't engage, it is no reflection on you, just pick up from where you left off. They might even learn from you.

[Tony Brooks]

I suggest that one should compare the conduct of @Sneill in the Traditional Narrowboat topic and the OP's

 

 

 

Both posted virtually impossible to answer question, both got a bit of joshing, but one got nasty and did not get a definitive answer, while the other remained polite, provided the information when he could and seems well on his way to getting his answer, and, more to the point we are still trying to help him.

[IanD]

21 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

I suggest that one should compare the conduct of @Sneill in the Traditional Narrowboat topic and the OP's

 

 

 

Both posted virtually impossible to answer question, both got a bit of joshing, but one got nasty and did not get a definitive answer, while the other remained polite, provided the information when he could and seems well on his way to getting his answer, and, more to the point we are still trying to help him.

 

Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right. The "arsey" responses that came back from the OP were no worse than some from the people who replied (who definitely poked the anthill first) -- in fact some of these (from one poster in particular) were more personal and nastier than anything the OP posted. And once that happens it's hardly fair to complain when somebody bites back, is it?

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- some posters need to take a long hard look at how they react to newbies, especially the language used. As things stand, they're driving people away from CWDF.

 

Now maybe that's what they want, so I'm just going to repost this, from the very first paragraph of the CWDF "Ethos" Rules and Guidelines:

 

"To ensure we provide an enjoyable and safe platform for everyone, it is expected that members be respectful and civil in all communications on the site. CWDF provides an inclusive online waterways related environment suitable for all ages and the nature of the language and images used must reflect this."

Edited October 8, 2024 by IanD

[Tam & Di]

7 hours ago, truckcab79 said:

Ignore or wasn’t around to check replies? 

 As far as I see the OP still has not given further information which would allow people to give useful answers. Maybe he no longer wants them, but why ask the question in the first place if it is that unimportant? He is certainly around, giving "likes" to posts up to just a couple of hours ago.

Edited October 8, 2024 by Tam & Di
to add punctuation '?'