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[jonathanA]

There is an old native indian proverb. If you are flogging a dead horse .... get off.

 

I am reminded of Tracy ds debates with liquid molly and wonder if gip up is molly in disguise. I am sorry to say he comes across as deluded/irrational as liquid molly was.

 

Shame as I think these threads had the potential to be a really interesting exchange of ideas, even though I'd long ago concluded the OP was most probably a dreamer. 

Now they are just  a mildly amusing diversion of little value 

 

 

 

Edited September 5 by jonathanA
Eta remove unintended potential racist comment

[blackrose]

6 minutes ago, jonathanA said:

There is an old red Indian proverb. If you are flogging a dead horse .... get off.

 

 

I don't mean to come across all woke-man Gary Linekar, but I'm pretty sure the term "red Indian" is considered offensive and a racist slur by indigenous North Americans these days. 

[MtB]

Just now, blackrose said:

 

I don't mean to come across all woke-man Gary Linekar, but I'm pretty sure the term "red Indian" is considered offensive and a racist slur by indigenous North Americans these days. 

 

You failed in that aim, however!

 

Being 'offended' on behalf of other people is a principle feature of wokeness, innit? 

 

 

[jonathanA]

1 minute ago, blackrose said:

 

I don't mean to come across all woke-man Gary Linekar, but I'm pretty sure the term "red Indian" is considered offensive and a racist slur by indigenous North Americans these days. 

Fair point and i agree. I'll put it down to having to watch all them John Wayne films with my dad when I was a nipper 

 

Edited now

[blackrose]

This song might help explain it... 🤣

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, MtB said:

Being 'offended' on behalf of other people is a principle feature of wokeness, innit? 

 

 

Yes, except that I wasn't offended. 😊 

 

Pointing out that certain terms are now considered outdated & offensive and being offended are two different things.

Edited September 5 by blackrose

[Arthur Marshall]

16 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

You failed in that aim, however!

 

Being 'offended' on behalf of other people is a principle feature of wokeness, innit? 

 

 

You never know. There may be native Americans reading this, and we do quite a good enough job of offending people without adding to the possibility by the (even accidental and humourous) use of racist terms.

I mean, maybe Gybe Ho is Sioux....

 

ETA the principal principle of wokeness is awareness, as a point if fact. I suppose the opposite is the state of not giving a toss about anyone except oneself, but I'm not sure there's a specific word for that. Might be interesting to find one.

Edited September 5 by Arthur Marshall

[BoatinglifeupNorth]

3 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

 I mean, maybe Gybe Ho is Sioux....

And his wife a shy Ann, as she hasn’t been mentioned much or her views to living on the side of the canal while the boat is being fitted out during winter.

[dmr]

22 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

You never know. There may be native Americans reading this, and we do quite a good enough job of offending people without adding to the possibility by the (even accidental and humourous) use of racist terms.

I mean, maybe Gybe Ho is Sioux....

 

ETA the principal principle of wokeness is awareness, as a point if fact. I suppose the opposite is the state of not giving a toss about anyone except oneself, but I'm not sure there's a specific word for that. Might be interesting to find one.

😀

[MtB]

43 minutes ago, Arthur Marshall said:

You never know. There may be native Americans reading this, and we do quite a good enough job of offending people without adding to the possibility by the (even accidental and humourous) use of racist terms.

I mean, maybe Gybe Ho is Sioux....

 

Or a Sue, perhaps?

 

But my point stands. I'm sure all the native Americans on this site are fully capable of standing up for themselves and saying so if offended by the term "red Indian". I doubt they need blackrose or you to do it for them. 

 

 

 

 

[blackrose]

13 minutes ago, MtB said:

But my point stands. I'm sure all the native Americans on this site are fully capable of standing up for themselves and saying so if offended by the term "red Indian". I doubt they need blackrose or you to do it for them. 

 

You're obviously not listening. Nobody was trying to stand up for anyone. I simply pointed out that the term was now outdated and was considered offensive - mainly for the benefit of the person who used it.

 

If someone uses the term n*gger on this forum I would say the same thing. Or are you ok with that too?

Edited September 5 by blackrose

[jonathanA]

Don't come to blows guys... I should have used native American Indian or some such modern PC term, and in my mental draft I did but then  typed in the outdated term. I didnt take offence at @blackrose pointing it out and I don't think he was saying he was offended just that some might be....

 

 

[Arthur Marshall]

36 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

Or a Sue, perhaps?

 

But my point stands. I'm sure all the native Americans on this site are fully capable of standing up for themselves and saying so if offended by the term "red Indian". I doubt they need blackrose or you to do it for them. 

 

But they aren't. Minorities don't and can't, that's the point. A forty year old native American bloke, possibly. A fifteen year old girl, not. I remember getting lost in London fifty years ago as a kid and going into a shop to ask directions and being the only white face in the place (and the whole area). It wasn't scary and everyone was nice, but I felt out of place. Minorities don't want to make a fuss or put their heads above the parapet , because they get stomped on if they do (to rather mix a metaphor) . Check out last month's riots as an example. That's why your point doesn't stand and that's why the "majorities" have to do it. And why we now have laws to try to enforce some of it, because otherwise we're back to the "no dogs, no blacks, no irish" days, although in real life, we haven't moved that far anyway, as any member of a "minority" knows.

That's my view , anyway.

4 minutes ago, jonathanA said:

Don't come to blows guys... I should have used native American Indian or some such modern PC term, and in my mental draft I did but then  typed in the outdated term. I didnt take offence at @blackrose pointing it out and I don't think he was saying he was offended just that some might be....

 

 

Not doing that. Luckily, most of us can have different views without getting personal or falling out. Some of my best friends voted for Brexit*... and acceptable words and phrases change all the time, like all language. In the end, it's intention that matters.

 

*that's a joke, not an argument starter!

[Francis Herne]

20 hours ago, Graham Davis said:

How far up the Severn do you think you are going to be subject to a "foul tide" in a narrow boat?

Some noticeable tide above Upton-upon-Severn on really high springs. About a week every month the tide comes over Gloucester weir and up to at least Upper Lode, and it's pretty fierce going back out. I spent a few minutes at Ashleworth making zero speed over ground at 1800rpm waiting for it to turn.

Edited September 5 by Francis Herne

[Tony Brooks]

1 minute ago, Francis Herne said:

Some noticeable tide above Upton-upon-Severn on really high springs. About a week every month the tide comes over Gloucester weir and up to at least Upper Lode, and it's pretty fierce going back out. I spent a few minutes at Ashleworth making zero speed over ground at 1800rpm waiting for it to turn.

 

True, but an apparent experience yachtsman would not put themselves in that position, especially if they had an underpowered boat or one without enough range.

[Francis Herne]

17 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

True, but an apparent experience yachtsman would not put themselves in that position

I was advised to err on the early side rather than risk being late, apparently it's not fun if you're still in the parting when the tide comes in from both ends at the same time...

[Tony Brooks]

17 minutes ago, Francis Herne said:

I was advised to err on the early side rather than risk being late, apparently it's not fun if you're still in the parting when the tide comes in from both ends at the same time...

 

I was not trying to criticise you, I was trying to point out the inconstancies in the OP's posting record that does nothing to enhance his credibility.

[IanD]

5 hours ago, MrsM said:

I wasn't meaning to be aggressive or attacking. The OP has implied that yours is the opinion he most respects so I was simply pointing out that he could send you questions directly, and then he wouldn't have to get so angry and offended by other members replying to one of his threads. 

I wasn't referring to you, apologies if you thought I was -- I meant the "other members" who have now posted several pages attacking the OP personally, with many of the (unfortunately all too common) "0% information/100% provocation" posts... 😞 

 

Attacking back with posts in a similar vein just helps fan the flames, but I can understand why he's been doing it...

6 hours ago, Debby said:

 

Gybe Ho, I have come to the conclusion that you are not making your points as clear as you think you are, therefore people are taking your "humour" seriously. Unfortunately you have given the impression that you have no real life experience of narrowboats, only what you have seen on YouTube, from people who may not have much more experience than you. I can see that this is winding up many of the members here, who DO have a lot of real life experience. However, I see your responses to them as being far more aggressive than their posts to you - which are intended to be helpful.

 

Anyway, you'll obviously take no more notice of me than you do of anyone else, and will just carry on. That's fine, because your threads are providing more amusement and entertainment than I've seen on here in quite a while. I still have to make my mind up whether you're a 20 year old wind up, or a 75 year old frustrated round the world sailor, but I'm sure the truth will come out eventually.

 

Except that quite a lot of "their" recent posts have been purely personal invective, not informative in any way. Go back and read the last few pages... 😞 

 

Neither side comes out of this looking good, and as soon as the insults start flying -- and there have been plenty of those from both sides -- it's never going to end well... 😞 

[Debby]

26 minutes ago, IanD said:

I wasn't referring to you, apologies if you thought I was -- I meant the "other members" who have now posted several pages attacking the OP personally, with many of the (unfortunately all too common) "0% information/100% provocation" posts... 😞

 

Attacking back with posts in a similar vein just helps fan the flames, but I can understand why he's been doing it...

 

Except that quite a lot of "their" recent posts have been purely personal invective, not informative in any way. Go back and read the last few pages... 😞 

 

Neither side comes out of this looking good, and as soon as the insults start flying -- and there have been plenty of those from both sides -- it's never going to end well... 😞 

Ian, I have read all the posts and I still think that the fault is mainly the OP's. People started off trying to help, trying to discuss, but he made it obvious that he wasn't interested, that he was right and didn't want anyone elses opinion. And he did that in a particularly aggressive way. That in turn got everyone else's backs up, and I don't blame them.

 

[IanD]

10 minutes ago, Debby said:

Ian, I have read all the posts and I still think that the fault is mainly the OP's. People started off trying to help, trying to discuss, but he made it obvious that he wasn't interested, that he was right and didn't want anyone elses opinion. And he did that in a particularly aggressive way. That in turn got everyone else's backs up, and I don't blame them.

 

Indeed -- but there was no need for the multiple attacking posts in response from several "old-school" posters, some of which were pure character assassination with no other useful content. What do people (on either side) think the reaction is going to be when they basically accuse the other party of being an idiot? Do they expect them to just sit there and suck it up and not reply in kind?

 

I blame both parties for fanning the flames, neither one is the innocent party here... 😞 

Edited September 5 by IanD

[Debby]

1 minute ago, IanD said:

Indeed -- but there was no need for the multiple attacking posts in response from several "old-school" posters. What do people (on either side) think the reaction is going to be when they basically accuse the other party of being an idiot? Do they expect them to just sit there and suck it up and not reply in kind?

 

I blame both parties for fanning the flames, neither one is the innocent party here... 😞 

I do agree with you to a degree, but the OP's attitude has been arrogant in the extreme. Still, it has livened up the forum and been very entertaining. More than I can say about YouTube videos.

[MrsM]

7 hours ago, Debby said:

I do agree with you to a degree, but the OP's attitude has been arrogant in the extreme. Still, it has livened up the forum and been very entertaining. More than I can say about YouTube videos.

I agree. Hubby and I have been following several of his threads quite aghast at times. However when the OP chooses to attack well-meaning and experienced posters I have sometimes felt moved to comment. None of my business really but it's hard to stay quiet when you see people you have grown to admire and respect on the receiving end of unpleasantness (which I fully concede may not be intended to be as harsh as it comes across). 

[LadyG]

I dont find agressive rude posts to be entertaining.

I have quite a few on "ignore", without which facility, i'd rarely post or read threads they take over.

PS ive read most of this rubbish thread because i was hoping for some illumination advice, but ive bought a nice portable magnifying lamp called Halo Go, and can report it is very usefull for reading and craft work, approx £65.

Edited September 6 by LadyG

[Debby]

53 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I dont find agressive rude posts to be entertaining.

I have quite a few on "ignore", without which facility, i'd rarely post or read threads they take over.

PS ive read most of this rubbish thread because i was hoping for some illumination advice, but ive bought a nice portable magnifying lamp called Halo Go, and can report it is very usefull for reading and craft work, approx £65.

If the posts were aimed at me, I probably wouldn't find them as entertaining. But the OP's posts are just ridiculous, so they make me laugh. I can understand why the people he has insulted have got so upset with him though, as they were only trying to help and stop him blowing lots of money because of YouTube videos, made by people who probably don't know much more than he does.

 

I'm glad you've found a good lamp. I'm afraid I don't do as much craft work as I used to, but I do a lot more reading!

2 minutes ago, Debby said:

 

 

Edited September 6 by Debby
Stupidity.