32 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

But this is a thread about Nigel Farage's ability to capture a room?

I'm thinking Godwins Law here.

Racist - people who would be labelled as such now hadn't heard the term years ago. 

Extremists, bigots, haters - buzzwords intended to target those who disagree and refuse to conform, they were used to target homosexuals in the past, still being used today against othes for similar purposes. It's not functional IMO

11 minutes ago, nb Innisfree said:

Racist - people who would be labelled as such now hadn't heard the term years ago. 

Extremists, bigots, haters - buzzwords intended to target those who disagree and refuse to conform, they were used to target homosexuals in the past, still being used today against othes for similar purposes. It's not functional IMO

 

The terms are functional when they are accurate.

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

But this is a thread about Nigel Farage's ability to capture a room?

 

Where on earth did you think the thread was going to go?

 

 

4 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

The terms are functional when they are accurate.

 

You're a bigot.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Higgs said:

 

You're a bigot.

 

 

 

If you think you are going to draw me into a slanging match, the word I was going to use to describe you is demonstrably apt.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Machpoint005 said:

If you think you are going to draw me into a slanging match, the word I was going to use to describe you is demonstrably apt.

 

You're one of the least capable of debate, of any in this political section.

 

 

Edited June 18, 20242 yr by Higgs

... ism...

seems very trendy these days. 

1 hour ago, Machpoint005 said:

The terms are functional when they are accurate

Reminds me of a sniper, accuracy is key. 

 

"Enemy" - the worst kind is oneself, covert and unrecognised. 

Edited June 18, 20242 yr by nb Innisfree

56 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

Where on earth did you think the thread was going to go?

 

Not sure i understand why any mention of Farage seems to be an invitation of quite awful abuse and name calling from people who claim to be reasonable?

2 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

Not sure i understand why any mention of Farage seems to be an invitation of quite awful abuse and name calling from people who claim to be reasonable?

Because despite claiming to be reasonable……really, they are not. In fact they are more often than not, the very worst kind of bigots.

Torypocalypse. A good, descriptive neologism I saw in this article from the tory (remember what the name means) East Sussex heartlands.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/18/tory-voters-nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-general-election?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

6 minutes ago, Stilllearning said:

Torypocalypse. A good, descriptive neologism I saw in this article from the tory (remember what the name means) East Sussex heartlands.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/18/tory-voters-nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-general-election?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Polly Toynbee 🤮

2 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

Not sure i understand why any mention of Farage seems to be an invitation of quite awful abuse and name calling from people who claim to be reasonable?

 

I suspect the fact that he tends to come across as articulate and reasonable until you start to examine what he says and find all is not as it seems has something to do with it. He has been shown during the Brexit referendum period to bend the truth to his ends, and his party's latest utterances seem to confirm that when examined by experts. I think he is dangerous and if he ever gets into power will be even more divisive than Brexit. What you highlight reflects people's worries.

 

One thing for sure is that companies that recruit from abroad need to pay the full social cost of those they bring to the UK by providing housing, health insurance, education of children and so on. That may make long term training and upskilling the UK workforce more attractive.

 

Mind you some bigots are loveable. 

 

 

My favourite politician

 

 

1 hour ago, robtheplod said:

Not sure i understand why any mention of Farage seems to be an invitation of quite awful abuse and name calling from people who claim to be reasonable?

 

Perhaps his track record has something to do with it? He has made a career out of being a nasty little shite who pretends to be someone he patently is not. 

 

 

See the post directly above. 

 

 

 

50 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

I suspect the fact that he tends to come across as articulate and reasonable until you start to examine what he says and find all is not as it seems has something to do with it. He has been shown during the Brexit referendum period to bend the truth to his ends, and his party's latest utterances seem to confirm that when examined by experts. I think he is dangerous and if he ever gets into power will be even more divisive than Brexit. What you highlight reflects people's worries.

 

One thing for sure is that companies that recruit from abroad need to pay the full social cost of those they bring to the UK by providing housing, health insurance, education of children and so on. That may make long term training and upskilling the UK workforce more attractive.

That makes sense. Surely the many of the concerns of Farage can equally be labelled at any party leader - if you don't like them you can always find issue with them, and especially in looking at the size of their 'black hole' - they all have one and missing detail. The way i see all this though is if Farage does well then its a failure of the other parties to offer something credible - people have lost faith in the delivery of manifestos which isn't surprising is it really?

20 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

That makes sense. Surely the many of the concerns of Farage can equally be labelled at any party leader - if you don't like them you can always find issue with them, and especially in looking at the size of their 'black hole' - they all have one and missing detail. The way i see all this though is if Farage does well then its a failure of the other parties to offer something credible - people have lost faith in the delivery of manifestos which isn't surprising is it really?

Or its the help he and his 'democratic' friends get from the non-dom tax exile gutter press owners, who make sure that as few as possible of the inconvenient truths about 'reform' make it into the public arena.

ETA I saw this just now and thought 'what good timing'.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/media/uk-newspapers-in-full-panic-mode-as-uk-election-looms-377106/

Edited June 18, 20242 yr by Stilllearning
It's so relevant

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/17/reform-uk-manifesto-nigel-farage-must-believe-in-fairies/?s=09

 

 Click dismiss to remove paywall.

Edited June 18, 20242 yr by GUMPY

Farage's "contract" will never be signed. It is Trussonomics on steroids. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Machpoint005 said:

Farage's "contract" will never be signed. It is Trussonomics on steroids. 

 

 

This:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/farage-claims-reform-uk-has-been-stitched-up-over-candidate-vetting-377115/

Half way through the article, after saying the party had paid for vetting and been stitched up by the unnamed company, he says that the vetting couldn't be done anyway .

Last week Mr Farage suggested the earlier-than-expected timing of the General Election meant vetting had not been possible.

 

“Don’t forget, I’ve come in right at the last minute, we have not had time to do full vetting of candidates. It’s been impossible for us,” he said.

 

A perfect example of why farridge is fair game for all the attacks he receives in the media.

1 hour ago, Stilllearning said:

This:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/farage-claims-reform-uk-has-been-stitched-up-over-candidate-vetting-377115/

Half way through the article, after saying the party had paid for vetting and been stitched up by the unnamed company, he says that the vetting couldn't be done anyway .

Last week Mr Farage suggested the earlier-than-expected timing of the General Election meant vetting had not been possible.

 

“Don’t forget, I’ve come in right at the last minute, we have not had time to do full vetting of candidates. It’s been impossible for us,” he said.

 

A perfect example of why farridge is fair game for all the attacks he receives in the media.

Who vetted Farage? Wonder what they found? Clearly the fact that the peoples Nige passed the vetting process should have been a sign that all was not well with the company used.

21 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Who vetted Farage? Wonder what they found?

Our local vet would probably have put him down.

1 hour ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Who vetted Farage? Wonder what they found? Clearly the fact that the peoples Nige passed the vetting process should have been a sign that all was not well with the company used.

 

Farage has a 25% stake in Reform UK. It isn't a properly constituted political party, and it doesn't even pretend to be democratically run.

 

We might also ask what happened to the money when UKIP ceased to exist...

 

18 minutes ago, Machpoint005 said:

 

Farage has a 25% stake in Reform UK. It isn't a properly constituted political party, and it doesn't even pretend to be democratically run.

 

We might also ask what happened to the money when UKIP ceased to exist...

 

It is a limited company, though I've heard of that structure being used before with other political parties in their early days. Allows Farage/Tice to be in complete control and no say for the membership/supporters.

So Farage (aka Mr Toad) objects to hearing foreign languages spoken on the streets of Britain - strange when he has previously boasted of his daughters' fluent German.