Playground for the Rich

[magnetman]

I'm pretty sure @kris88 is licensed and legit so no reason to remove boat ID. 

 

As for the Ward geyser on the K&A the figure was £76k 'owed to the CRT' in 2013 apparently so it seems likely to be a long way into 6 figures by now. 

 

The boats have no value to recoup. 

 

 

 

[TheBiscuits]

26 minutes ago, MtB said:

What's the betting Kris88 has taken his boat name and number off now?

 

Fairly slim I'd say.  It's a very recognisable boat, and we know that Commercial Boat Services can transport ones that size because they did a couple fairly recently!

[magnetman]

 

One does idly wonder what the deal is if the CRT are actively taking photos of people. Is there not some sort of privacy law around this ? 

 

 

[MtB]

1 minute ago, magnetman said:

Is there not some sort of privacy law around this ? 

 

Yes, and the 'privacy law' says photos taken in a public plaice are fine. 

 

Fishy, I reckon.

 

 

[magnetman]

I think it cod be a problem for the CRT to be taking pictures of pike y boaters. 

[MtB]

But for the fish puns, this plaice would have no sole.

 

 

 

[bizzard]

What a load of Pollocks.

[magnetman]

It is a contenchus topic needing a number of different app roaches. 

 

 

[Chris Lowe]

1 minute ago, bizzard said:

What a load of Pollocks.

No it's CODswollop

[kris88]

1 hour ago, magnetman said:

I'm pretty sure @kris88 is licensed and legit so no reason to remove boat ID. 

 

As for the Ward geyser on the K&A the figure was £76k 'owed to the CRT' in 2013 apparently so it seems likely to be a long way into 6 figures by now. 

 

The boats have no value to recoup. 

 

 

 

Thank you. Your correct whilst in my ownership my boat has always had a licenced,saftety cert and insurance. It’s just mick playing the man again. 

1 hour ago, magnetman said:

 

One does idly wonder what the deal is if the CRT are actively taking photos of people. Is there not some sort of privacy law around this ? 

 

 

What I wonder is how do they  identify who it is from a photo? Some sort of data base maybe? Facial recognition software? 

Edited July 19, 2023 by kris88

[magnetman]

I don't know if it is true that the CRT data collectors do actually photograph people. If it is true and they do this then it seems to be reasonably plausible that the CRT geyser who was killed by a boat owner somewhere near Aylesbury may have been engaging in this behaviour. 

 

For basic safety reasons I would be slightly shocked if the CRT actually did do this. 

I feel you would definitely want to have at least two people for this kind of situation. 

 

4 hours ago, Cheshire cat said:

We had a brief chat with a licence recorder last week on the Oxford canal.

He said that only half his time was spent strolling the canal bank, the rest was spent playing detective.

Any anonymous boat will have multiple pictures taken of it. This will include anyone accompanying the boat. 

 

Can this be verified somehow?

 

It seems to be a very risky strategy which the elfin safety bods would be onto in the blink of an eye. 

 

 

[kris88]

They photograph boats. So I suppose if someone was on a unnamed unumbered boat they might take a photo of them. It does seem to be confrontational though. 
As I understand it for some people,  the removing of identification is a response to crt refusing to licence the boat. Along with selling it to Mickey Mouse. As a way of derailing the enforcement process it seems to be effective. 

[magnetman]

When we were on the K&A in 2001 I encountered a geyser in a bike who was recording the boats. It seemed interesting so I stopped him and questioned him. 

 

 

He showed me his bag which had lots of 'documents enclosed' envelopes. I asked if he worked for British Waterways. He said no and that he was doing it by himself and putting sticky notices on boats which had not moved.

 

I think he was a crazy. 

 

 

[ditchcrawler]

20 minutes ago, magnetman said:

When we were on the K&A in 2001 I encountered a geyser in a bike who was recording the boats. It seemed interesting so I stopped him and questioned him. 

 

 

He showed me his bag which had lots of 'documents enclosed' envelopes. I asked if he worked for British Waterways. He said no and that he was doing it by himself and putting sticky notices on boats which had not moved.

 

I think he was a crazy. 

 

 

If it was the chap I came across when I faced him out making a note about my boat then he is something to do with the local angling club. It was a mistake speaking to him as I couldn't shake him off, it was no better when I bumped into him shopping the next day.

[Mike Todd]

On 18/07/2023 at 19:31, Bargebuilder said:

Isn't the DVLA a government organisation and having cars taxed and insured a legal requirement? Presumably the ability to remove a car that doesn't comply is enshrined in law. The C&RT would, I suppose, have to go to court before removing a boat to avoid being accused of theft!

 

If the C&RT know that they are never going to get any money out of a boats owner, then it's cheaper for them to just forget that it's there and do nothing. It also will look better for them to not record its presence, if that's what they do.

 

 

A lot is to do with a boat being (possible) a home and so removing a boat is in the same bracket as evicting a family by a landlord. Whilst it is complicated, in principle I would not want to go back to the free for all and racketeering of the Rackman era.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Mike Todd

[LadyG]

On 18/07/2023 at 15:36, IanD said:

 

True, and it's obviously possible that CART know exactly who they are and what their license status is.

 

It's also possible that faced with an anonymous boat with no name or number or means of ID and nobody on board, they don't know if it's licensed or not or to who, and have no way of tracking it, or enforcing any infringements against its owner since they've no idea who that is.

 

"Grey 50' narrowboat moored in Willesden" isn't very helpful for such purposes... 😞

The CRT attach a letter in waterproof cover to boats not displaying reg number, presumably also those unlicensed.. 

[Jon57]

2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

The CRT attach a letter in waterproof cover to boats not displaying reg number, presumably also those unlicensed.. 

They could attach the letter with a hilti gun just below the waterline. They might get the message first time.

[IanD]

29 minutes ago, LadyG said:

The CRT attach a letter in waterproof cover to boats not displaying reg number, presumably also those unlicensed.. 

Which the owner (who? CART don't know...) presumably throws in the bin, then moves on and paints the boat a different colour... 😉

[john.k]

Whats to stop you painting someone elses number on your boat..........someone whose registration is paid up?...........if you had a few numbers ,you could also defeat the requiremnt to move periodically by repainting the number.

[MtB]

3 hours ago, john.k said:

Whats to stop you painting someone elses number on your boat..........someone whose registration is paid up?...........if you had a few numbers ,you could also defeat the requiremnt to move periodically by repainting the number.

 

ou don't even have to paint it on. The numbers are stamped into ally plates supplied by CRT, which can be unscrewed or are sometimes not even fixed in the first place.

 

I've had the plates on one of my boats taken. CRT sent me a pair of plastic laminated ones with a letter telling me to affix them to my boat! 

 

 

[Mike Todd]

Very few illegal activities are actually prevented. The assumption is that most people obey the law and those who do not suffer the consequences if found out!