George Ward evicted.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

43 minutes ago, magnetman said:

 

No need to get into whose world we are living in. I am a human and therefore subject to things other humans are subject to. 

 

I reject entirely the principle of one man owning the house another man lives in and gaining from the toil of the other man by demanding payment for living in the house.

 

If this ends up with me having no money then so be it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m with you to a certain point. 
There should still be good housing provided by the State. 
I guess leaving it to pirate’s private ears is simple easy cash with no responsibility for the Government 
 

 

(there was some predictive text going on which I thought appropriate)

[dmr]

2 hours ago, magnetman said:

 

No need to get into whose world we are living in. I am a human and therefore subject to things other humans are subject to. 

 

I reject entirely the principle of one man owning the house another man lives in and gaining from the toil of the other man by demanding payment for living in the house.

 

If this ends up with me having no money then so be it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I got a lump sum when I got redundant/very early retirement, this has to keep me going for the rest of my life. We tried various investment things but I was very uncomfortable about getting involved in the capitalist stockmarket "gambling" system and did not like or trust the people who were "advising" us. So we now have a couple of houses that we rent out. We charge a fair rent and respond rapidly to all problems. In fact we only put the rent up when the tenants change and they rarely change, so the current rents are ludicrously low.  There is a need for rental accomodation, a lot of people change jobs and locations often and don't want to pin themselves down with home ownership. Some people actually prefer to rent. Its like CC'ers and CM'ers, a number of bad landlords give us all a bad reputation.

 

Its just providing a service thats needed, like car hire or tool hire 😀

 

I accept that cash buyers do have an unfair advantage over youngsters trying to raise a mortgage (my children struggled with this), but thats not my fault and I don't know what the answer is, but we certainly did not intentionally get involved in any competitive bidding type purchasing

[MtB]

2 minutes ago, dmr said:

There is a need for rental accomodation, a lot of people change jobs and locations often and don't want to pin themselves down with home ownership

 

Like Mr Ward for example, the subject of this thread?

 

Can any of us here imagine him say, deciding to buy a house since queering his pitch with CRT?

 

Which lenders might accept his mortgage application? Consider him a good bet to lend the money to...

 

 

[dmr]

1 minute ago, MtB said:

 

Like Mr Ward for example, the subject of this thread?

 

Can any of us here imagine him say, deciding to buy a house since queering his pitch with CRT?

 

Which lenders might accept his mortgage application? Consider him a good bet to lend the money to...

 

 

 

I'll add him to my list....

 

No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs, No exBoaters.

 

(this is a joke for those who don't have a sense of humour, but also an observation on how times have changed)

 

 

[magnetman]

5 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

Like Mr Ward for example, the subject of this thread?

 

Can any of us here imagine him say, deciding to buy a house since queering his pitch with CRT?

 

Which lenders might accept his mortgage application? Consider him a good bet to lend the money to...

 

 

He may already have a house which he could be renting out or a council flat. 

It would be a whole lot more comfortable pushing the system if one had an alternative place to live if it all gets awkward ! 

 

Easy to claim one is homeless but difficult for other people other than professionals in the services to access the proof isn't it. 

 

An old friend of mine lives in a boat which is a proper floating shed. He also has a council flat a

(not sublet) as the sole tenant but he prefers the boat. Anyone seeing him on the boat might easily make assumptions about his residential status but in reality he is satisfactorily housed by the state. 

 

Not saying this is the case with Mr Ward but it is important not to make assumptions about people's housing status based on their presentation and chosen lifestyles. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cuthound]

CRT are trying to recover costs from George Ward by selling his boats if he can't raise the money.

 

Good luck with that .. 😅🤣https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/23668459.boater-served-huge-bill-eviction-notice-canal-rivers-trust/

[magnetman]

Yes and if there are some others doing similar this could get expensive. 

 

It is an interesting battle but one which the CRT should not be funding. 

 

[Paul C]

Credit card companies can and do force bankruptcy on non-payers, there is no reason why CRT shouldn't try to recover its money either. Obviously it is worth gaining intel on the other party, if they obviously have no money then it might not be worth the extra legal expense for it to not progress further.

 

Maybe NBTA could do a fundraiser for him, to stump up the £30k?

[cuthound]

1 hour ago, magnetman said:

Yes and if there are some others doing similar this could get expensive. 

 

It is an interesting battle but one which the CRT should not be funding. 

 

 

If they acted much more quickly to deal with overstayers, then their costs would be substantially lower because it would discourage, rather than encourage others with a similar mindset.

[Heartland]

There was a video made in British Waterways days where boaters in Wiltshire were interviewed and their comments and complaints about the services provided by BW were mentioned. George Ward was featured in that video with his comments about the lack of services. Did he say that he was a former traveller, who bought at boat?

[MtB]

2 hours ago, cuthound said:

 

If they acted much more quickly to deal with overstayers, then their costs would be substantially lower because it would discourage, rather than encourage others with a similar mindset.

 

I do get the feeling that a Section 21 <or whatever it is called> lift-out could actually be done and dusted inside three months if they treated them with the urgency with which they should be treated. All this twattery applying to the court with liveaboards strikes me as totally unnecessary and is just used as an excuse for their tardiness.

 

The occupants should be allowed to continue living aboard once the boat is in the compound in Chester, if they don't like the accommodation offered by the local authority. 

 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by MtB
add a missing word.

[Higgs]

I think landlords should have to follow due process. It's no small thing to make someone homeless. 

 

 

 

 

[Midnight]

2 minutes ago, Higgs said:

I think landlords should have to follow due process. It's no small thing to make someone homeless. 

 

 

 

 

In this case wasn't due process followed for about 10 years?

Edited July 21, 2023 by Midnight

[Higgs]

1 hour ago, Midnight said:

In this case wasn't due process followed forcabout 10 years?

 

It wouldn't appear to have followed the suggested three months just-get-rid-of-the problem solution. 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by Higgs

[Paul C]

4 minutes ago, Higgs said:

I think landlords should have to follow due process. It's no small thing to make someone homeless. 

 

 

 

 

If someone doesn't have permission to live aboard, should due process still be followed? By which side? Both?

[Higgs]

Just now, Paul C said:

If someone doesn't have permission to live aboard, should due process still be followed? By which side? Both?

 

What might be the alternatives - find a railway arch?

 

 

[Ray T]

Just asking. Is there an element of "contributory negligence" on Mr. Ward's part?

 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by Ray T

[Higgs]

1 minute ago, Ray T said:

Just asking. Is there an element of "contributory negligence?" on Mr. Ward's part.

 

No more than it is on society, for removing opportunities for those that haven't the resources to have numerous options.

 

 

[Tony Brooks]

11 minutes ago, Higgs said:

I think landlords should have to follow due process. It's no small thing to make someone homeless. 

 

 

 

 

 

But Mike said that the owners should be allowed to continue to live on the boat in the compound at Chester, so they won't be made homeless. Jobless and schooless possibly, but that was their choice when they presumably ignored notices from CaRT.

 

I don't hear complaints about people who are evicted and where their local authority offered them emergency housing many miles away

Edited July 21, 2023 by Tony Brooks

[Higgs]

2 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

But Mike said that the owners should be allowed to continue to live on the boat in the compound at Chester, so they won't be made homeless. Jobless and schooless possibly, but that was their choice when they presumably ignored notices from CaRT.

 

He said that, knowing it would be a forced solution. We all dream of living in a scrap yard.

 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by Higgs

[magnetman]

1 hour ago, Heartland said:

There was a video made in British Waterways days where boaters in Wiltshire were interviewed and their comments and complaints about the services provided by BW were mentioned. George Ward was featured in that video with his comments about the lack of services. Did he say that he was a former traveller, who bought at boat?

This video. 

 

 

Difficult to wade through the interminably hideously irritating self obsessed entitled persons featured in it but never mind I suppose if one is bored enough..

 

 

[Higgs]

Let's attack the weak, because no one has the bollocks to explain and challenge how CRT can extract money from people on private property. Not only are CRT allowed to martial people on their own domain, but it runs to people who are not on their domain. So, don't get me started.

 

 

[Paul C]

14 minutes ago, Higgs said:

Let's attack the weak, because no one has the bollocks to explain and challenge how CRT can extract money from people on private property. Not only are CRT allowed to martial people on their own domain, but it runs to people who are not on their domain. So, don't get me started.

 

 

 

Don't go off topic with your own agenda. Start a new thread if you feel its worthy of mentioning.....

[Higgs]

Just now, Paul C said:

 

Don't go off topic with your own agenda. Start a new thread if you feel its worthy of mentioning.....

 

 I don't feel as though what you think on the subject matters. Got it?

 

 

[cuthound]

1 hour ago, Higgs said:

I think landlords should have to follow due process. It's no small thing to make someone homeless. 

 

 

 

 

 

But surely by ignoring the simple rules for a protracted period of time and without reason they have been instrumental in making themselves homeless?

Edited July 21, 2023 by cuthound
protracted not protected, bluddy spillchucker