Changes to moorings in Birmingham being considered by CRT

[Tonka]

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/about-us/where-we-work/west-midlands/birmingham-city-centre-moorings-consultation

Not sure if this should be here or moorings

[Ex Brummie]

The spirit is willing but the enforcement will no doubt continue to be weak.

[ditchcrawler]

It will be a pain for those that obey the rules 

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

I went through Brum during the Common Wealth games and it was empty

Ive been through Brum several times over the winter and it was empty, so definitely don’t need to be 2 day only during winter, which is the new proposal.

 

Too many moorings are already given over to the trip boats and seem little used.

Looks like CRT are proposing more service moorings for Sherborne who only offer a part time service.

 

I agree there ought to be more disabled moorings but that’s about it.

Cambrian wharf can be confusing, but 🤷‍♀️so what

it really reads like some control freak in an office has had nowt to do all winter but f about.

if Birmingham is a confusion and mish mash of moorings then that’s been  CRT’s fault over the past years

 

keep it simple and stick to 14 days

oh, September was busy and it was great to see it that way, but there was still room to spare

 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by Goliath

[Rob-M]

Only time I saw Birmingham nearly full last year was the night before the BCN challenge but even then there were a couple of full length moorings available.  The only thing I think needed is sorting the signage out so both ends of a section of mooring say the same thing rather than one end saying 14 days and the other end 2 days.  There is generally a mixture of those who pass through and just want a space overnight and those that want to arrive and spend a leisurely few days visiting the city.

[ditchcrawler]

8 minutes ago, Goliath said:

I went through Brum during the Common Wealth games and it was empty

Ive been through Brum several times over the winter and it was empty, so definitely don’t need to be 2 day only during winter, which is the new proposal.

 

Too many moorings are already given over to the trip boats and seem little used.

Looks like CRT are proposing more service moorings for Sherborne who only offer a part time service.

 

I agree there ought to be more disabled moorings but that’s about it.

Cambrian wharf can be confusing, but 🤷‍♀️so what

it really reads like some control freak in an office has had nowt to do all winter but f about.

if Birmingham is a confusion and mish mash of moorings then that’s been  CRT’s fault over the past years

 

keep it simple and stick to 14 days

oh, September was busy and it was great to see it that way, but there was still room to spare

 

 

When I went through in September there wasnt a single moored boat from Holiday Wharf all the way through Gas Street.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

Looking at the photo in the link kind of says it all.

 

We need to encourage people to come to Brum and stick around for a bit

[PeterF]

1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said:

When I went through in September there wasnt a single moored boat from Holiday Wharf all the way through Gas Street.

We spent a few days there in June, moored in the Oozells Street loop VM, no shortage of space in the area.

[Ronaldo47]

The document refers to putting new signs up in March 2023 and evaluating in September, which could  imply that they are going to implement the changes next month regardless of any feedback from the February consultation,  and then see how the changes  have  worked.  

Edited February 9, 2023 by Ronaldo47
typos

[Alan de Enfield]

3 minutes ago, Ronaldo47 said:

The document refers to putting new signs up in March 2023 and evaluating in September, which could  imply that they are going to implement the changes next month regardless of any feedback from the February consultation,  and then see how the changes  have  worked.  

 

Definition of 'consultation' :

 

We have decided to do this, we ask what you think of it and if you agree, thats great but if you disagree - tough ! It is our bat & ball and we will do what we want.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

There is a link in the article to provide feedback.

for what it’s worth

 

 

1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Definition of 'consultation' :

 

We have decided to do this, we ask what you think of it and if you agree, thats great but if you disagree - tough ! It is our bat & ball and we will do what we want.

 

very true

 

[Ronaldo47]

A couple of years ago my local.councillor forwarded me a link to the publicly-available (if you knew where to look) minutes of a council committee  meeting which made the  decision to implement a 20mph speed limit on our local roads. The meeting was held before the expiry of the public consultation period. 

[DaveP]

I have penned an objection to this 'consultation' on the grounds that they're not following the agreed process and not answering the questions that the process says must be published at least six weeks before a trial period (of not less than six months) starts.  In essence I'm saying that no case for the 2-day all year restriction has been made, that the signage problem is of their own making (and is easily fixed....), and that they are not saying how they'll review the trial and the difference it's made to behaviour....

[ditchcrawler]

57 minutes ago, Ronaldo47 said:

The document refers to putting new signs up in March 2023 and evaluating in September, which could  imply that they are going to implement the changes next month regardless of any feedback from the February consultation,  and then see how the changes  have  worked.  

And as 95% of boaters will obey the signs it will be almost 100% success with very few problems. They wont look to see how full or empty they are overnight as they all leave off at 4-30 and go out to the carpark to go home

29 minutes ago, DaveP said:

I have penned an objection to this 'consultation' on the grounds that they're not following the agreed process and not answering the questions that the process says must be published at least six weeks before a trial period (of not less than six months) starts.  In essence I'm saying that no case for the 2-day all year restriction has been made, that the signage problem is of their own making (and is easily fixed....), and that they are not saying how they'll review the trial and the difference it's made to behaviour....

I had a reply this evening from Mr Simons 

[dmr]

48 minutes ago, Goliath said:

There is a link in the article to provide feedback.

for what it’s worth

 

 

 

very true

 

 

When I used to work in a proper job we were all individually "consulted" about a major change to organisation structure such that the bosses "vision" could be rebranded as "our vision". The plan was bollocks and as a logical thinking engineer I had to point this out to them 😀.

I was firmly told "you have to understand that this is a one way consultation"

[Tonka]

9 hours ago, dmr said:

 

When I used to work in a proper job we were all individually "consulted" about a major change to organisation structure such that the bosses "vision" could be rebranded as "our vision". The plan was bollocks and as a logical thinking engineer I had to point this out to them 😀.

I was firmly told "you have to understand that this is a one way consultation"

British Airways management used the same consultation rules

[ditchcrawler]

56 minutes ago, Tonka said:

British Airways management used the same consultation rules

They all do, Just because you consult someone doesn't mean you have to consider their views

[peterboat]

This looks like a solution looking for a problem, we have visited there a few times by boat and car, always moorings available so what is the problem?

[doratheexplorer]

14 hours ago, Goliath said:

I went through Brum during the Common Wealth games and it was empty

Ive been through Brum several times over the winter and it was empty, so definitely don’t need to be 2 day only during winter, which is the new proposal.

 

Too many moorings are already given over to the trip boats and seem little used.

Looks like CRT are proposing more service moorings for Sherborne who only offer a part time service.

 

I agree there ought to be more disabled moorings but that’s about it.

Cambrian wharf can be confusing, but 🤷‍♀️so what

it really reads like some control freak in an office has had nowt to do all winter but f about.

if Birmingham is a confusion and mish mash of moorings then that’s been  CRT’s fault over the past years

 

keep it simple and stick to 14 days

oh, September was busy and it was great to see it that way, but there was still room to spare

 

 

I pass through Brum regularly, including during the Commonwealth Games.  I've never seen it empty. 

13 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:

When I went through in September there wasnt a single moored boat from Holiday Wharf all the way through Gas Street.

That's generally the least popular place to moor due to the passing footfall.  I'll bet there were plenty of boats down past the Sealife Centre on the mainline.

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

42 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

I've never seen it empty

Ever seen it full?

Ever struggled to find anywhere to more?

I’d say 2 boats between Old Turn Jn and Vincent Street Bridge (?) is an empty stretch of mooring. 
That’s what I witnessed this Winter. One Boat was Granny Buttons. 
If I’ve read it proper, that stretch is to become 2 day in the Winter!!
 

I can’t help thinking this is an example of CRTs energies being wasted when they could be doing something better. 
 

They even have the cheek to propose giving a mooring over to a ‘Welcoming Boat’. Welcoming who?
 

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Goliath

[doratheexplorer]

18 minutes ago, Goliath said:

Ever seen it full? I've never specifically looked to see if it was full. 

Ever struggled to find anywhere to more?  I've been unable to find a 14 day mooring there without resorting to the outskirts where I don't feel safe.

I’d say 2 boats between Old Turn Jn and Vincent Street Bridge (?) is an empty stretch of mooring. I'd say you don't know what empty means.
That’s what I witnessed this Winter. One Boat was Granny Buttons. 
If I’ve read it proper, that stretch is to become 2 day in the Winter!!
 

I can’t help thinking this is an example of CRTs energies being wasted when they could be doing something better. 
 

They even have the cheek to propose giving a mooring over to a ‘Welcoming Boat’. Welcoming who?
 

 

 

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

2 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

 

So really you have nothing to complain about with regards the way it is now. 
 

3 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

I'd say you don't know what empty means.

I’d say you’re trivially arguing.  

[ditchcrawler]

2 hours ago, doratheexplorer said:

I pass through Brum regularly, including during the Commonwealth Games.  I've never seen it empty. 

That's generally the least popular place to moor due to the passing footfall.  I'll bet there were plenty of boats down past the Sealife Centre on the mainline.

No

[doratheexplorer]

1 hour ago, Goliath said:

 

I’d say you’re trivially arguing.  

If you say so.  You began by saying Brum was empty.  Now you're saying it wasn't...

[beerbeerbeerbeerbeer]

1 hour ago, doratheexplorer said:

If you say so.  You began by saying Brum was empty.  Now you're saying it wasn't...

If you say so 👍