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'pointless' Need some help collecting narrowboat data


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44 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

That Covid is still rampant.

 

Okay. Look I'm not trying to rub anyone up the wrong way. My written English is not very good so please don't make fun of it. 

 

I don't really understand what the issue is with being a boat owner and asking people for information about the boat they have to help my research project. 

 

I'm not forcing anyone into it, and I'm not asking if what I'm doing is pointless. And I don't want anyone to give me what they would regard as private information.

 

Its up to you

 

If you want to know anything about the project. Just ask.

 

More than happy to explain my hypothesis.

 

 

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Well I've done it as best I can.  I do think that quite a few questions need rewording to make it clear that the answers all need to relate to the time the boat was valued, otherwise your results will be meaningless.  I also think that the questions and possible answers need to be a lot more detailled if you are to acheive anything useful.  For example, my boat used to have a 2000w inverter which cost £125 from Amazon.  It now has a 500w inverter which cost over £200, because it's a much better built inverter. Your question doesn't take any account of this.  In fact from bow to stern of a narrowboat, there are so many potential variables that you would need 100s of detailled questions to start to gain a useful insight into value.  This is why valuing of narrowboats is done by people who have taken a fair while to thoroughly inspect the boat.

 

I admire your idea, i just don't think it can work in any useful way.  Narrowboats are not like cars in that a specific make/model/trim/year/condition algorithm will give a fairly good valuation.

 

For that to work for a boat, you would need people to input literally hundreds of things to get any kind of useful output.  People don't have the patience for that.

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13 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:

Well I've done it as best I can.  I do think that quite a few questions need rewording to make it clear that the answers all need to relate to the time the boat was valued, otherwise your results will be meaningless.  I also think that the questions and possible answers need to be a lot more detailled if you are to acheive anything useful.  For example, my boat used to have a 2000w inverter which cost £125 from Amazon.  It now has a 500w inverter which cost over £200, because it's a much better built inverter. Your question doesn't take any account of this.  In fact from bow to stern of a narrowboat, there are so many potential variables that you would need 100s of detailled questions to start to gain a useful insight into value.  This is why valuing of narrowboats is done by people who have taken a fair while to thoroughly inspect the boat.

 

I admire your idea, i just don't think it can work in any useful way.  Narrowboats are not like cars in that a specific make/model/trim/year/condition algorithm will give a fairly good valuation.

 

For that to work for a boat, you would need people to input literally hundreds of things to get any kind of useful output.  People don't have the patience for that.

Thanks for the input 

 

And I yes I think I might reword some of these questions. and I completely agree with you on the variables needed.

 

thank you again

 

 

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I completed it and found it pretty straightforward. The answers are reasonably good. One question I couldn't answer properly is the date when the fit-out was completed, as it isn't (I entered the completion date as 2022 which is after the purchase date but it isn't actually done yet). Buying a part-completed project is a relatively common situation so that might be worth capturing as an option.


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On 21/11/2022 at 14:39, Alan de Enfield said:

What’s the difference between “affect” and “effect"

1 • Affect is a verb – “to affect” – meaning to influence or have an impact on something.

2 • Effect is the noun – “an effect (a positive or a negative effect) is the result of being affected by something. 

Edited Monday at 14:42 by Alan de Enfield

Not the whole story.

Effect is also a verb meaning to accomplish, to complete, to do.

From Wiki:

Affect and effect are sometimes confused. Affect conveys influence over something that already exists, but effect indicates the manifestation of new or original ideas or entities:

  • "...new policies have effected major changes in government."
  • "...new policies have affected major changes in government."

The former indicates that major changes were made as a result of new policies, while the latter indicates that before new policies, major changes were in place, and that the new policies had some influence over these existing changes.

The verbal noun uses of affect are distinguished from the verbal noun uses of effect more clearly than the regular verb forms. An affect is something that acts or acted upon something else. However, an effect is the result of an action (by something else).

 

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On 20/11/2022 at 10:02, Loddon said:

Neither the shell builder or the fit out company for my boat were listed so I gave up as I could go no further.

1) This also applies to my boat.

2). It also needs N/A (Not Applicable) or don't know for a number of questions.

3). When was B S Cert. & similar.  Should be how much time remaining.  

4). Date. Year only would probably more helpful.

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Filled out 😁 took all of about 5 minutes, cheers. Interested in your project too, I'm assuming it's for college or uni? Would it be possible for you to make the model available once you've completed it? Have you also potentially thought about scraping sites like Apollo Duck, eBay, etc for data? Obviously it won't be as rich as a survey with regards to condition Vs price, but with ML sometimes quantity over quality eh? 😉

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5 hours ago, sigsegv said:

Filled out 😁 took all of about 5 minutes, cheers. Interested in your project too, I'm assuming it's for college or uni? Would it be possible for you to make the model available once you've completed it? Have you also potentially thought about scraping sites like Apollo Duck, eBay, etc for data? Obviously it won't be as rich as a survey with regards to condition Vs price, but with ML sometimes quantity over quality eh? 😉

ML does not invalidate GIGO!

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3 hours ago, Mike Todd said:

ML does not invalidate GIGO!

Can't argue with that, for sure! But at least successful sales, while not necessarily being complete entries in the set, could be considered not entirely garbage. I guess I'm biased cause a lot of projects I've worked on in the past have relied heavily on scraped data 😅

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