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10 hours ago, pete.i said:

You people are living in cloud cuckoo land. I bet you all drive or will drive electric cars, oh no you wont because you wont be able to charge them because the grid wont be able to cope. As for "ask your local authority and if not why not" what an absolutely laughable suggestion. Most of the people in local authority don't give a damn. Most recycling goes into the land and what doesn't go into the land is either fly tipped or sent abroad to places like Phillipines etc.  Dedicated sorting and recycling centers are very very few and far between in this country. Thousands of tons of plastic waste has washed on some obscure island. this waste is from all over the world including UK. What I can't get rid of ,because the tip is too far away or my son in law who is a registered waste carrier is too idle to come to me, goes straight in the bin.

Totally agree. Read a report on a new electric car last week, 160kw !!!!!  Where on earth could you charge a dozen of them every night?

All the waste around here in Cheshire used to be in recycling bins. But the wagon came once a fortnight and tossed it all in the compactor mixed up, completely pointless.

The mugs waste their time and effort sorting their rubbish then burn their own petrol driving it to the "Recycling Centre" only to have it dumped into landfill.

A further waste of resources.

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4 hours ago, Tracy D'arth said:

Totally agree. Read a report on a new electric car last week, 160kw !!!!!  Where on earth could you charge a dozen of them every night?

All the waste around here in Cheshire used to be in recycling bins. But the wagon came once a fortnight and tossed it all in the compactor mixed up, completely pointless.

The mugs waste their time and effort sorting their rubbish then burn their own petrol driving it to the "Recycling Centre" only to have it dumped into landfill.

A further waste of resources.

 

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4 minutes ago, LadyG said:

 

I think you should take action rather than make the situation worse.

Start by taking a complaint procedure against the LA . I am sure they have a responsibility here. Find out what it is and why they are allowing this . Don't do nothing.

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On 16/11/2022 at 08:25, Feeby100 said:

You could take it to the local tip they have battery section to put stuff like that

Hmmm where is one able to recycle electronics particularly those with batteries ?  I have two or three laptops and phones and now this starter kit. no idea how to recycle them, they all have batteries. 

With respect to Cheshire, I see they have increased their recycling by 57%< not sure of exact detail, but that could be from a low starting point and still be a very low base . As always, householders are not making much effort, and they only have a few bins. When I lived in Scotland we had one for dry recyclables, if these were contaminated that bin would be left in the street, with  a large yellow note explaining. The householder would soon end up with full bins. They started off with a plastic hamper for glass, but these were abandoned, replaced with blue bins and brown bins in addition to black bins, bin days were often chaotic when changes were made. One could request half size bins, as bin storage became difficult, but they were delivered in addition to the full size bins, and the bigger bins would not be removed if not clean..so in theory one could end up with six bins, plus a kitchen compost bin, which required the use of compostable liners.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, LadyG said:

Hmmm where is one able to recycle electronics particularly those with batteries ?  I have two or three laptops and phones and now this starter kit. no idea how to recycle them, they all have batteries. 

With respect to Cheshire, I see they have increased their recycling by 57%< not sure of exact detail, but that could be from a low starting point and still be a very low base . As always, householders are not making much effort, and they only have a few bins. When I lived in Scotland we had one for dry recyclables, if these were contaminated that bin would be left in the street, with  a large yellow note explaining. The householder would soon end up with full bins. They started off with a plastic hamper for glass, but these were abandoned, replaced with blue bins and brown bins in addition to black bins, bin days were often chaotic when changes were made. One could request half size bins, as bin storage became difficult, but they were delivered in addition to the full size bins, and the bigger bins would not be removed if not clean..so in theory one could end up with six bins, plus a kitchen compost bin, which required the use of compostable liners.

 

 

 

And where does all this plastic for bins in colours various come from? If its coloured I bet its not all recycled waste. The last load of gay carnival bins that I saw delivered were from Germany with microchips under the rim, not very green is it?  

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The last time I had a pile of old electronics to recycle, I tried to do the right thing and take it to the local council tip recycling centre. Unlike many councils, mine doesn't require you to prove you live in the area. Something I could actually do, as my moorng is residential. However, they are one that insist you arrive by car (not van, no trailers). I was turned away on a push bike. Fortunately, the next person in the car queue kindly offered to take my bag of dead gadgets in for me while I was arguing with the poor guy at the gate, who was just following orders. I took it up with the council, but my complaint went in the round file and I heard nothing. Didn't bother taking it to my councillor. 

All self defeating, as making doing the right thing too diffiicult just leads to fly tipping, which ends up being paid for by the council at greater expense anyway. A but like not funding social care properly leads to people bed blocking in hospitals, which apart from anything else, is more expensive.

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4 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

The last time I had a pile of old electronics to recycle, I tried to do the right thing and take it to the local council tip recycling centre. Unlike many councils, mine doesn't require you to prove you live in the area. Something I could actually do, as my moorng is residential. However, they are one that insist you arrive by car (not van, no trailers). I was turned away on a push bike. Fortunately, the next person in the car queue kindly offered to take my bag of dead gadgets in for me while I was arguing with the poor guy at the gate, who was just following orders. I took it up with the council, but my complaint went in the round file and I heard nothing. Didn't bother taking it to my councillor. 

All self defeating, as making doing the right thing too diffiicult just leads to fly tipping, which ends up being paid for by the council at greater expense anyway. A but like not funding social care properly leads to people bed blocking in hospitals, which apart from anything else, is more expensive.

 

I fully agree, but the next question is more expensive for whom. In the case of bed blocking it is the NHS carrying the expense while the councils get away with not paying - maybe the NHS should be given powers to charge the councils. That might concentrate the councillors minds to take the action needed to get more income from the charge payers or to resign.

 

In the case of the electricals I bet your tip is run by contractors so making things difficult reduces their staffing and customer control needs, they gain while the council has to pay for fly tipping.

 

It is the wonderful world of actual and pseudo privatisation of services.

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B&Q, at least in Burton-upon-Trent, has a place to dispose of electrical items at its entrance. I needed a new work vacuum and rang them up first, to ask if I could dump the old one there and make a purchase of one of theirs. They took it. But if an item can fit in its disposal box, I'd use it, rather than faffing about with the council. 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Higgs said:

B&Q, at least in Burton-upon-Trent, has a place to dispose of electrical items at its entrance. I needed a new work vacuum and rang them up first, to ask if I could dump the old one there and make a purchase of one of theirs. They took it. But if an item can fit in its disposal box, I'd use it, rather than faffing about with the council. 

 

 

 

It is part of the WEEE (waste electrical and electronic equipment) regulations, a carry over of an EU regulation in to UK law that most people don't know about. Retailer have a responsibility to take back gadgets at the end of their life and get them disposed of properly. They must do this for big items, if you are buying a new one, or related item from them. Big stores must do this for small items (<25cm) regardless of if you are buying a new one or not. An option for @LadyG perhaps, depending on the size of the powerpack?

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1 hour ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

I fully agree, but the next question is more expensive for whom. In the case of bed blocking it is the NHS carrying the expense while the councils get away with not paying - maybe the NHS should be given powers to charge the councils. That might concentrate the councillors minds to take the action needed to get more income from the charge payers or to resign.

 

In the case of the electricals I bet your tip is run by contractors so making things difficult reduces their staffing and customer control needs, they gain while the council has to pay for fly tipping.

 

It is the wonderful world of actual and pseudo privatisation of services.

You bet right. The tip recycling centre is run by contractors. It may even be the same people who clear up fly tips, but of course, that is more money from the council. Getting some one else to pay for externalities is an essential part of capitalism. Privatising the profits, socialising the losses. Dangerously vering in to the politics forum realm here. Even within a private company, or public body, even when every one agrees money must be spent on something, there are long arguments as to whose budget it goes on, but at least it mostly does get done.

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1 minute ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

You bet right. The tip recycling centre is run by contractors. It may even be the same people who clear up fly tips, but of course, that is more money from the council. Getting some one else to pay for externalities is an essential part of capitalism. Privatising the profits, socialising the losses. Dangerously vering in to the politics forum realm here. Even within a private company, or public body, even when every one agrees money must be spent on something, there are long arguments as to whose budget it goes on, but at least it mostly does get done.

I’m not sure how you over the water from us can go about making the systems work better for the users and consumers, short of a real change of government mentality.

Here there is real recycling where a local recycling organisation not only will take our no longer needed large items - beds, white goods etc, from outside our front door, but they also have a container at the tip where we can deposit unwanted things, ( and also pick up things we like the look of, before they get to the recycler).

At their depot/waste superstore, when we buy anything there it is weighed at the till, so they make a note of weight in over the weighbridge versus out through the shop door. This was a system that was discussed at UK200 when I worked there, back in the 90s.

 

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Just now, Stilllearning said:

I’m not sure how you over the water from us can go about making the systems work better for the users and consumers, short of a real change of government mentality.

Here there is real recycling where a local recycling organisation not only will take our no longer needed large items - beds, white goods etc, from outside our front door, but they also have a container at the tip where we can deposit unwanted things, ( and also pick up things we like the look of, before they get to the recycler).

At their depot/waste superstore, when we buy anything there it is weighed at the till, so they make a note of weight in over the weighbridge versus out through the shop door. This was a system that was discussed at UK200 when I worked there, back in the 90s.

 

Is the scheme run by the local government, or is it outsourced?

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12 minutes ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Is the scheme run by the local government, or is it outsourced?

It is an ‘établissement public’, sorry the link is in French.

 

https://www.syded87.org/fr/le-syded/un-etablissement-public

 

ETA google translate might help, but beware of unfortunate mistranslations...

We this week saw a translation of a house being in an ‘impasse’ ( a cul de sac) as a house in a stalemate!

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15 minutes ago, Stilllearning said:

It is an ‘établissement public’, sorry the link is in French.

 

https://www.syded87.org/fr/le-syded/un-etablissement-public

Google Translate helped! So a type of non-profit body, controlled by and with a budget from the local departments and communities across the area it serves?


 

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ETA google translate might help, but beware of unfortunate mistranslations...

We this week saw a translation of a house being in an ‘impasse’ ( a cul de sac) as a house in a stalemate!

Agree. Google translate thought a word something like Syndicate was a trade union, which in context is almost certainly wrong.

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1 minute ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Google Translate helped! So a type of non-profit body, controlled by and with a budget from the local departments and communities across the area it serves?

Yes, that’s about right. Having just checked, our annual fee for rubbish collection, either from the front door, or at the tip, is €193.50.

How it works elsewhere in France, we don’t know. The only limit we know of is on green waste, where we as a household can only deposit 10 m3 a year: however as I found out recently, the bloke at the tip asked me to interpret to some other anglophones that they were over their limit for the year, but to get round it by borrowing a neighbour’s card. ( We all have a smart card that we have to produce each time we go there.)

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1 hour ago, Higgs said:

No I dont need a power start replacement as i only need something for tablet etc, usb and amazon probably .

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On 17/11/2022 at 15:53, pete.i said:

You people are living in cloud cuckoo land. I bet you all drive or will drive electric cars, oh no you wont because you wont be able to charge them because the grid wont be able to cope. As for "ask your local authority and if not why not" what an absolutely laughable suggestion. Most of the people in local authority don't give a damn. Most recycling goes into the land and what doesn't go into the land is either fly tipped or sent abroad to places like Phillipines etc.  Dedicated sorting and recycling centers are very very few and far between in this country. Thousands of tons of plastic waste has washed on some obscure island. this waste is from all over the world including UK. What I can't get rid of ,because the tip is too far away or my son in law who is a registered waste carrier is too idle to come to me, goes straight in the bin.

You only have one bin and you don't want to bother to make any attempt to recycle. Obviously you are not too bothered about your legacy, in one generation we have gone from post war austerity to pre war decadence, and temperatures have risen by 1.5C.

You don't care it has risen by 1.5C.

You don't care as long as long as it does not affect you today.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

You only have one bin and you don't want to bother to make any attempt to recycle. Obviously you are not too bothered about your legacy, in one generation we have gone from post war austerity to pre war decadence, and temperatures have risen by 1.5C.

You don't care it has risen by 1.5C.

You don't care as long as long as it does not affect you today.

 

 

 

 

 

Bang on old love. Not my problem, never was, too late for it ever to be.

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1 minute ago, Tracy D&#x27;arth said:

Bang on old love. Not my problem, never was, too late for it ever to be.

So, you've lived out your three score and ten, and all you've done is make a bit of cash to stuff under the mattress. Well done. Not 

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3 hours ago, LadyG said:

No I dont need a power start replacement as i only need something for tablet etc, usb and amazon probably .

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07QXV6N1B

Does me for phone and tablet battery life extension. Fast charging, too.

If you fancy twice the capacity, then this one looks suitable:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07S829LBX

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11 hours ago, Tracy D&#x27;arth said:

And where does all this plastic for bins in colours various come from? If its coloured I bet its not all recycled waste. The last load of gay carnival bins that I saw delivered were from Germany with microchips under the rim, not very green is it?  

Our LA once decided each house should have it's own bins, with ID. Another scheme that did not work 

 

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