Unicorn Stampede Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) Unfortunately I don't know the specifics of depth at the location, my friend sent me the images over WhatsApp after he walked by today. There's no notice on CRT website about an issue, but clearly something is going on. These were taken between Tuel Lane lock and the stretch towards Luddenden Foot. It's unusual to see water level this low along that section (and the wall side doesn't seem to like the lack of water either!) As a side note, I've just seen the bizarre notice of Fuel Theft from a river pump at lock 16. Apparently someone keeps stealing the diesal, which CRT keeps refilling. I assume that isn't helping things on the water front! Edit: Just received this image - it appears CRT is on with whatever the problem is! Edited September 22, 2022 by Unicorn Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 49 minutes ago, Unicorn Stampede said: There's no notice on CRT website about an issue, but clearly something is going on. These were taken between Tuel Lane lock and the stretch towards Luddenden Foot. Yes there is. https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices/23333-grouting-works-from-bridge-3-to-bridge-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 Have they drained for the grouting works. Notice says ends 23rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unicorn Stampede Posted September 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, David Mack said: Yes there is. https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices/23333-grouting-works-from-bridge-3-to-bridge-4 I must have blanked that entirely when looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Midnight said: Have they drained for the grouting works. Notice says ends 23rd And also says the stoppage has been extended to 28th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, David Mack said: And also says the stoppage has been extended to 28th. The notice was as usual confusing cos the CRT notice writer probably knows bugger all about canals, but I interpreted it as the grouting project ends on 28th but the waterway reopens on 23rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted September 22, 2022 Report Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Midnight said: The notice was as usual confusing cos the CRT notice writer probably knows bugger all about canals, but I interpreted it as the grouting project ends on 28th but the waterway reopens on 23rd. That's a perverse reading of the stoppage notice. What is unclear about "From Date: 16/09/2022 12:15 To Date: 28/09/2022 16:00 inclusive Type: Navigation Closure" and "Updates 21/09/2022 13:33 A clay embankment is being built to prevent further leakage through the existing embankment. This has therefore extended the duration of the works. We are hoping to have the works completed by and inclusive of Wednesday 28th September" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 8 hours ago, David Mack said: That's a perverse reading of the stoppage notice. What is unclear about "From Date: 16/09/2022 12:15 To Date: 28/09/2022 16:00 inclusive Type: Navigation Closure" and "Updates 21/09/2022 13:33 A clay embankment is being built to prevent further leakage through the existing embankment. This has therefore extended the duration of the works. We are hoping to have the works completed by and inclusive of Wednesday 28th September" Looks like they amended the original Grouting works from Bridge 3 to Bridge 4 Starts: 16/09/2022 12:15 Ends: 28/09/2022 16:00 inclusive Type: Navigation Closure Reason: Maintenance Towpath closed? No The navigation between Bridge 3, High Royd Bridge and Bridge 4, Longbottom Bridge will be closed from today until Friday 23rd September, to carry out grouting repairs. This section will be dewatered to carry out the works with fabric dams in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Midnight said: Looks like they amended the original Grouting works from Bridge 3 to Bridge 4 Starts: 16/09/2022 12:15 Ends: 28/09/2022 16:00 inclusive Type: Navigation Closure Reason: Maintenance Towpath closed? No The navigation between Bridge 3, High Royd Bridge and Bridge 4, Longbottom Bridge will be closed from today until Friday 23rd September, to carry out grouting repairs. This section will be dewatered to carry out the works with fabric dams in place. Indeed they did. That's what the 21 September update is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unicorn Stampede Posted September 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 Is this now related? https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices/23384-tuel-lane-lock-to-bridge-4-longbottom-bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted September 23, 2022 Report Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Unicorn Stampede said: Is this now related? https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices/23384-tuel-lane-lock-to-bridge-4-longbottom-bridge Looks like it. Sounds like they found more than they bargained for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Posted September 24, 2022 Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) Please tell me it's a wind up but someone just forwarded a video showing a CRT boat with musicians in fancy dress playing music, going up and down the locks in Littleborough while there's 10 boats waiting after been told not to move to save water 😕 Edited September 24, 2022 by Midnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty40s Posted September 24, 2022 Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Midnight said: Please tell me it's a wind up but someone just forwarded a video showing a CRT boat with musicians in fancy dress playing music, going up and down the locks in Littleborough while there's 10 boats waiting after been told not to move to save water 😕 Chris John will come along in a minute and defend CRT in it's wellbeing on the waterways magical musical tour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davem399 Posted September 24, 2022 Report Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Midnight said: Please tell me it's a wind up but someone just forwarded a video showing a CRT boat with musicians in fancy dress playing music, going up and down the locks in Littleborough while there's 10 boats waiting after been told not to move to save water 😕 Were Holly and Phil from ITV on board by any chance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatekrash Posted September 25, 2022 Report Share Posted September 25, 2022 The Rochdale must be open again without anyone being told. It's listed as one of the 6 'Best places to boat this autumn' on the CaRT homepage... From Sowerby Bridge in West Yorkshire, canal boat holiday-makers can travel along the Rochdale Canal through the Calder Valley to the old mill town of Hebden Bridge, nestled in a fork in the hills. Climbing through woods, fields and small stone towns, the journey there and back covers 14 miles, 20 locks and takes around 11 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted September 25, 2022 Report Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 hours ago, gatekrash said: The Rochdale must be open again without anyone being told. It's listed as one of the 6 'Best places to boat this autumn' on the CaRT homepage... From Sowerby Bridge in West Yorkshire, canal boat holiday-makers can travel along the Rochdale Canal through the Calder Valley to the old mill town of Hebden Bridge, nestled in a fork in the hills. Climbing through woods, fields and small stone towns, the journey there and back covers 14 miles, 20 locks and takes around 11 hours. Just as I imagined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 Second hand info but I've been told that at a CRT meeting last night it was suggested the only Pennine canal likely to open anytime soon would be the Rochdale but no guarantees. Thought not likely the L&L will open this year and although all pounds on the HNC are full the reservoirs are too low to provide any room for optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) There's been a bit of rain. No sign of activity at the Tuel Lock end which has been de-watered. I don't know what's going to happen. Not sure if anyone does. I was hoping for some update this week. Edited September 29, 2022 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, LadyG said: There's been a bit of rain. No sign of activity at the Tuel Lock end. I don't know what's going to happen. Not sure if anyone does. I was hoping for some update I was rather expecting official updates via the stoppage notices even if it is bad news. It looks likely the comments from last night's meeting is all we are getting. The meeting was in your vicinity so the info was from the horse's mouth so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted September 29, 2022 Report Share Posted September 29, 2022 I still assume and hope that once the lock 35 aqueduct is sorted that the canal will open again, there are a few boats now waiting down in Littleborough. Looks like a slight delay at lock 35, the bed is mostly fixed but CRT have decided to have a look at the walls whilst the canal is empty. This makes a load of sense, they have the site all set up with steps down into the canal etc. Today they put a load of expanding foam into the gaps between the stones and then finished off with lime mortar grouting. I suspect they will give the lime mortar the weekend to get nicely set. The summit pound is pretty much full though will likely struggle if a lot of boats want to come over. Bit more rain forcast for the next couple of days though the ground is still very dry, the water-indicating waterfall is still dry 😀, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo47 Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 It was mentioned on the radio yesterday that low reservoir levels mean that the hosepipe bans currently in force in parts of the North are likely to remain in force until the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ronaldo47 said: It was mentioned on the radio yesterday that low reservoir levels mean that the hosepipe bans currently in force in parts of the North are likely to remain in force until the new year. I doubt that it will make much difference. At this time of year, no one is going to water their garden. I'm not sure who is using excess water, but I expect the water companies know. To be honest private individuals could be educated to use less water all the time, I am more careful on a boat than when in a house, possibly use fifty percent less. I think there was an idea that water meters would cut consumption, not sure how that worked out. We've had some heavy rain today, I hope that does not flush out the lime mortar on the Rochdale repairs. Edited September 30, 2022 by LadyG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmr Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 It has rained good and proper up the top of the Rochdale, CRT have lock 35 gates and paddles open so their work is safe, the level in the pound below has come up a foot and the waterfall up the hill is doing its stuff. CRT and getting in new clay rather than re-using the not so good stuff that they took out so a few more days to go . I suspect they will re-open the top at the same time that they re-open down in Sowerby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo47 Posted September 30, 2022 Report Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) At an open day at the water treatmrent plant of our pre-privatisation water company, I had a chat with one of the managers. He said that he saw no real advantage in water meters as they increased their overhead costs by having to set up a record system and employ more people to run it. Their running costs were essentially fixed, as the cost of treating the water (which was free, and not in short supply in Essex) were negligible compared to the cost of the fixed plant, maintenance, and wages. They knew in advance how much money they would need for the year, set the water rates accordingly based on the rateable value of each property, and collected the money from customers with no need to measure their individual consumption. If they charged water by the litre, and everyone (say) halved their consumption, the consequence would be that they would have to double the price per litre the following year to cover their costs, which were essentially independent of how much water they supplied. They were a statutory not-for-profit company that was not allowed to make a profit, unlike its post-privatisation replacement. Essex was possibly a special case, as in areas where water is in short supply, metering can be used to control demand. My water company seems to have been unusual in not charging extra for an external tap per se, only for a sprinkler not held in the hand: all the d.i.y books I consulted when I got my first house many decades ago, explicitly mentioned the need to inform your water company and pay extra water rates when fitting an outside tap. Edited September 30, 2022 by Ronaldo47 typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 29/09/2022 at 19:03, Midnight said: Second hand info but I've been told that at a CRT meeting last night it was suggested the only Pennine canal likely to open anytime soon would be the Rochdale but no guarantees. Not just yet! "Navigation remains closed from Lock 1, Sowerby Bridge to Lock 48, Littleborough on the Rochdale canal, due to continued dry conditions. Whilst we have experienced some rainfall over the last few weeks, it has not been enough to impact on third-party supplies and surface water feeders that supply the canal." https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/notices/22796-navigation-closure-lock-1-to-lock-48-rochdale-canal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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