haggis Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 There was a thread a week or so ago about mooring and i said I would take a photo of Kelpies extra mooring thing at the bows which ensure that we never move when a boat passes. This is tonight's mooring where the distance between rings was not ideal and the stern rope was tied to the off side dolly. Several boats have gone past and we haven't moved an inch. Ah, the file is too big and I don't have any editing software on my phone. Can I send the photo to someone who can edit it for me please? Haggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just take a screenshot of the picture, usually gives you the option to crop the top and bottom before saving it .then post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 Thanks. Here it is, hopefully 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyG Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) How are they fixed on? Nice signwriting btw Edited June 20, 2022 by LadyG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Vagabond Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, haggis said: Thanks. Here it is, hopefully Interesting, I think I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought that you were taking the line from the second mooring point towards the stern so that the tension of the lines were opposed to one another holding the boat in position (like a spring) but your photo seems to show both of them pulling forwards, surely the only way for that to hold the boat in position if for them to be very tight, as they appear in the photo (possibly resulting in the boat leaning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Wanderer Vagabond said: Interesting, I think I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought that you were taking the line from the second mooring point towards the stern so that the tension of the lines were opposed to one another holding the boat in position (like a spring) but your photo seems to show both of them pulling forwards, surely the only way for that to hold the boat in position if for them to be very tight, as they appear in the photo (possibly resulting in the boat leaning). The ropes are tight but the boat doesn't lean. The angle is not always as long as that but we position the boat as well as possible between rings etc and I tightly tie the front. Iain then ties the stern tight. Tonight because if the angles the stern rope is tied to the dolly furthest away from the tow path but it is usually tied between the two mooring dollies on the same side. As I said before we never move an inch. A big plus for me is that I can reach the extra mooring thing easily from the bank ( for tying up ) or the well deck ( for casting off ). The extra cleats are I think welded on and don't look obtrusive I love them. Haggis Edited June 20, 2022 by haggis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Vagabond Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, haggis said: The ropes are tight but the boat doesn't lean. The angle is not always as long as that but we position the boat as well as possible between rings etc and I tightly tie the front. Iain then ties the stern tight. Tonight because if the angles the stern rope is tied to the dolly furthest away from the tow path but it is usually tied between the two mooring dollies on the same side. As I said before we never move an inch. A big plus for me is that I can reach the extra mooring thing easily from the bank ( for tying up ) or the well deck ( for casting off ). The extra cleats are I think welded on and don't look obtrusive I love them. Haggis Have to say that I do like the additional mooring point, it's just that I might use it a bit differently. If I try to tie off a line from the T-bar, pulling towards the stern of the boat to make a 'sort of' spring, I cannot pull it too far back without it chafing the cratch cover. With your set up it looks as though that wouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, Wanderer Vagabond said: Have to say that I do like the additional mooring point, it's just that I might use it a bit differently. If I try to tie off a line from the T-bar, pulling towards the stern of the boat to make a 'sort of' spring, I cannot pull it too far back without it chafing the cratch cover. With your set up it looks as though that wouldn't happen. We never have any need for a rope to chafe on the cratch board ( or be a trip hazard as someone else suggested) . The ring, nappy pin or mooring pin is not normally as far forward as the one we used tonight but our system is flexible ! Haggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 14 hours ago, haggis said: The ropes are tight but the boat doesn't lean. The angle is not always as long as that but we position the boat as well as possible between rings etc and I tightly tie the front. Iain then ties the stern tight. Tonight because if the angles the stern rope is tied to the dolly furthest away from the tow path but it is usually tied between the two mooring dollies on the same side. As I said before we never move an inch. A big plus for me is that I can reach the extra mooring thing easily from the bank ( for tying up ) or the well deck ( for casting off ). The extra cleats are I think welded on and don't look obtrusive I love them. Haggis We always found that is the mooring rings were not well spaced for NC then we were better off tying the stern line off to the cleat furthest away from the bank. The angle on the rope works better for holding the boat steady. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Yes, it's just a case if adjusting your mooring procedure to suit the conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Here is my extra mooring point, just inside the deck board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, cuthound said: Here is my extra mooring point, just inside the deck board. Interesting and it will make it a wee bit easier to reach although I don't have a problem with ours being in front of the cratch . Is that a flap in the cratch cover to give acces ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUMPY Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, cuthound said: Here is my extra mooring point, just inside the deck board. Same place as mine I can take line fore and aft without fouling, most of the time when we are out we just use that one and ignore the T-stud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, haggis said: Interesting and it will make it a wee bit easier to reach although I don't have a problem with ours being in front of the cratch . Is that a flap in the cratch cover to give acces ? . Yes there is a flap in the cratch cover to allow the lines to come aboard with the cratch down. In the 8 years we have had the boat the cratch cover has shrunk noticabily, so that the lower edge now rests on the gunwhale rather than overlapping it. Has anyone else got this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 We travel with the cratch cover rolled up most of the time and as time goes on it is getting harder to make it reach the studs . I suppose nothing lasts forever although I don't think the canopy is as old as the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billS Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 23 hours ago, haggis said: Thanks. Here it is, hopefully I have a fairlead there which achieves the same effect when the rope is taken through it and back to the T stud. probably a cheaper solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Ash Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 The single line from the bow looks like it is not heading towards the ring, but on a course somewhat to the right of the ring. How does it apparently bend to go round the ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerbeerbeerbeerbeer Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, D Ash said: The single line from the bow looks like it is not heading towards the ring, but on a course somewhat to the right of the ring. How does it apparently bend to go round the ring? Maybe it’s a warp? 🤷♀️ 😃 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 10 hours ago, D Ash said: The single line from the bow looks like it is not heading towards the ring, but on a course somewhat to the right of the ring. How does it apparently bend to go round the ring? We have clever ropes 😀. It must be my inability to take a photo as the rope was straight and tight Haggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 19 hours ago, cuthound said: Yes there is a flap in the cratch cover to allow the lines to come aboard with the cratch down. In the 8 years we have had the boat the cratch cover has shrunk noticabily, so that the lower edge now rests on the gunwhale rather than overlapping it. Has anyone else got this problem? When we bought NC she was 5 years old and the original canopies on the boat had shrunk terribly and were a pig to refit. We had them replaced and when we sold the boat last year which was about 10 years after the replacement canopies were fitted they still fit the boat perfectly. We treated them every year with Fabsil which seemed to keep them more supple and certainly helped them keep their colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Naughty Cal said: When we bought NC she was 5 years old and the original canopies on the boat had shrunk terribly and were a pig to refit. We had them replaced and when we sold the boat last year which was about 10 years after the replacement canopies were fitted they still fit the boat perfectly. We treated them every year with Fabsil which seemed to keep them more supple and certainly helped them keep their colour. When we bought Kelpue the cratch canopy ( black ) was pretty green and over the years since I have given them an occasional treatment of Wet and Forget which has not been entirely successful. This year we were given the tip of spraying on white vinegar the after a bit washing it off. This was more successful but as Iain rolled up the canopies as soon as we got to the boat, I have no idea what they are like now and I won't find out unless we get heavy rain and the canopies are put down. When they are rolled up, I just forget them 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, haggis said: When we bought Kelpue the cratch canopy ( black ) was pretty green and over the years since I have given them an occasional treatment of Wet and Forget which has not been entirely successful. This year we were given the tip of spraying on white vinegar the after a bit washing it off. This was more successful but as Iain rolled up the canopies as soon as we got to the boat, I have no idea what they are like now and I won't find out unless we get heavy rain and the canopies are put down. When they are rolled up, I just forget them 😀 We washed our hoods once a year with soap powder. Used to bring them up bright and fresh like new. When fully dried applied Fabsil or Fabsil Gold. Doesn't look like NC's new owners have followed the same routine though. The hoods look terrible somehow after a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuthound Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Naughty Cal said: When we bought NC she was 5 years old and the original canopies on the boat had shrunk terribly and were a pig to refit. We had them replaced and when we sold the boat last year which was about 10 years after the replacement canopies were fitted they still fit the boat perfectly. We treated them every year with Fabsil which seemed to keep them more supple and certainly helped them keep their colour. Yes DQ's cratch cover is the original, so nearly 15 years old. I have cleaned them regularly, recoloured them with Renovo and waterproofed with a variety of brands, including Fabsil. I'll get a new one fitted over winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naughty Cal Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, cuthound said: Yes DQ's cratch cover is the original, so nearly 15 years old. I have cleaned them regularly, recoloured them with Renovo and waterproofed with a variety of brands, including Fabsil. I'll get a new one fitted over winter. One thing we definitely don't miss about the boat is messing about with canvas We have a wind out sun shade but it is quite literally a 1 man job to wind it in and out in 30 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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