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26 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

26 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

26 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

26 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

26 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

26 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

26 minutes ago, Paul C said:

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

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1 minute ago, davem399 said:

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

Started from Wrenbury and went through New Marton on Wednesday early afternoon (2nd boat in queue).  Returned on Saturday lunchtime (just had to wait for one boat to clear the first lock). We did the same journey last year but arrived on different days and it was busier.

 

 

 

Presumably you went the same way over 7 days, amazing you were the 2nd boat everytime.

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2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Duration of towpath closures increased from 347 days to 429 days (bad)

I guess that includes the towpath in Woodseaves cutting, which is blocked by a load of fallen sandstone. The towpath for the whole length has not been used or maintained and looks like it may never be used again.

 

MP.

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1 hour ago, Paul C said:

 

New Marton is 1) on a busy canal, 2) with long pounds before and after (with plenty of marinas and moorings on these). But also remember, its a pair of locks about 1/2 mile apart. So what happens is the queues of boats on the 'middle' pound (ie they're doing the second lock of the pair, in their journey) don't really occur, because they are spaced out (let's say 6-10 mins) by having done their previous lock.

 

Also there's a number (eg Whixhall, Blackwater Meadow, Chirk, Trefor) of marinas and hire bases where their holiday is a short break or mainly flat trip, and these are the ONLY locks the newbie hirers do, so there are often confused or slow transits (experienced boaters in the queue can only help so much, after all.....)

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

That is what I would have expected but it was definitely not like that when we came through! I have found the same phenomenon elsewhere in spaced out flights. Seems that predicting human behaviour is a little more complex . . . 

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48 minutes ago, MoominPapa said:

I guess that includes the towpath in Woodseaves cutting, which is blocked by a load of fallen sandstone. The towpath for the whole length has not been used or maintained and looks like it may never be used again.

 

MP.

 

Those are for the years 19/20 and 20/21 so up to March 2021.

 

The Woodseaves cutting seems to have had a histoty of being blocked (many times)

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1 hour ago, Paul C said:

 

New Marton is 1) on a busy canal, 2) with long pounds before and after (with plenty of marinas and moorings on these). But also remember, its a pair of locks about 1/2 mile apart. So what happens is the queues of boats on the 'middle' pound (ie they're doing the second lock of the pair, in their journey) don't really occur, because they are spaced out (let's say 6-10 mins) by having done their previous lock.

 

Also there's a number (eg Whixhall, Blackwater Meadow, Chirk, Trefor) of marinas and hire bases where their holiday is a short break or mainly flat trip, and these are the ONLY locks the newbie hirers do, so there are often confused or slow transits (experienced boaters in the queue can only help so much, after all.....)

 

Where did you start from? Most holidaymakers do it in one week, so there's "busy" days and "quiet" days which are quite contrasting.

Yes that was exactly my point in that their usage pattern is "funny".  We have seen a queue of at least 3 boats waiting to go up the top lock though, in addition to a big queue at the bottom, which comes back to the point that these in the main are inexperienced hirers who don't actually want to do any locks, and they faff about quite a bit with the 2 they have to do.

 

Your "tidal flow" point is also a good one, as we always aim to be at Llangollen over the weekend when it is quiet, we therefore tend to find it very busy at New Marton with boats arriving at the top on with way back and we are going to Llangollen and busy at the bottom on our way back with boats making their way to Llangollen.

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2 hours ago, MoominPapa said:

I guess that includes the towpath in Woodseaves cutting, which is blocked by a load of fallen sandstone. The towpath for the whole length has not been used or maintained and looks like it may never be used again.

 

MP.

I went that way last year.  We were passed by several southbound walkers as we ploughed through Woodseaves.  There were (wholly ineffective seeming) towpath barriers at the N end, but none at all at the N end.

 

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