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On 26/03/2022 at 17:29, Captain Pegg said:

 

I think there were three such boats, Vulpes being the first built. At least one of the others still exists, Hexa, which was belonged to fender maker Alf Langford who featured in Waterways World and even on TV. It moors at Huddlesford and still retains a timber top, but appears to have been lengthened.

 

The steelwork was fabricated by Tony Wakeley who later moved to Water Travel at Autherley. The boat Omega which may be familiar to regular cruisers of the BCN was built there in 1983 according to the boat listing in Canal Plan and it has a very similar shape and dimensions to Vulpes. However the owner of that craft claims it was built by Les Allen in 1965.  

 

Isn't Omegas owner a chimney sweep often found at Merry"hell" basin?????

1 minute ago, Athy said:

So, a similar animal to Gardner's 1L2 which was classified, I think, as a "laboratory engine", though I have seen one in a narrowboat. I've also seen a single-cylinder RN, dunno what that was built for.

 

Single RN's can be found in Autarky and Hinea - so called "Jarrett" class boats. 

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1 hour ago, BEngo said:

I think the Lister label for a single cylinder JP  was CS 9/1.  ( cold start, 9 Hp, 1 cylinder).  There were similar engines of  lower power as in the CS 5/1.

 

N

CS engines are pure Lister though. No Ruston involvement. I'm sure I have come across JP1s used as stationary engines.

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1 hour ago, magnetman said:

Those dollies are not from CTS. I think that particular shape was from Water Travel at Autherley. Might be wrong but usually CTS boats had more of a dumbbell shape. 

 

There was no suggestion that Omega was built by CTS. Merely that it shares some characteristics with the CTS Hampton tugs because the steelwork was fabricated by the same person. It is the current owner of Omega who says it is an Allen's boat, when the reliable evidence says it was Water Travel.

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I think the RN was a DM1 marine unit. It's in a nice little inspection launch style narrow boat built mid 90s by Ivy Bridge Marine. 

 

There may be another but that's the only one I have seen in DM rather than just D format. 

36 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

 

There was no suggestion that Omega was built by CTS. Merely that it shares some characteristics with the CTS Hampton tugs because the steelwork was fabricated by the same person. It is the current owner of Omega who says it is an Allen's boat, when the reliable evidence says it was Water Travel.

Sorry I missed that. Those dollies are Water Travel not Les Allen. 

 

 

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On 22/03/2022 at 07:46, Movin' on said:

 

You are probably right but we had the chance pre advert and declined - we are constrained by our mooring to 35-40 and not keen on riveted iron - luverly boat but its a bit too old for us (iron) and we are a bit too old for it (too heavy and too long) 10 years ago I would have bought it like a shot.

J

Well if you want historic, less than 40 feet and not too heavy there aren't many options open to you. 

But there is Erebus (although it is riveted iron)

 

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On 28/03/2022 at 11:12, Fugly said:

We have a sister boat to Vulpes

Have owned vessel for the last 7 years

Dennis Cooper ( CTS ) built 1960s

Originally 35 ft open tug , extended to 42 ft

Now has full metal cabin and a single cylinder lister jp engine installed .

Boat is now named Turmoil

CRT index number 66890

Unfortunately boat will soon be up for sale

After survey etc

 

Now on ebay, worth mentioning here in case the OP is still looking 

 

 

 

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Just bumping again as still looking - now widening the search to anything "interesting/different" with interesting engine in an engine room max 45ft max £45k

 

It has to be out there..........resigned to this now coming as a result of an end of season decision.

 

Cheers

 

J

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I think you are going to find it difficult, and I am in the same position with a limited 'free' mooring of 45ft. If you could find a genuine historic tug say of the BCN type you might be lucky but then again they are old boats with age related problems. I think very few boats like this have been built since the eighties and some have been lengthened so you are fishing in a very small pool and probably waiting for the owners to die off.

When I find I can't cope with a 60 footer and still want to go boating I am resigned to something like a 41ft sea otter which are easy to maintain and much lighter to handle.

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2 hours ago, Mike Adams said:

I think you are going to find it difficult, and I am in the same position with a limited 'free' mooring of 45ft. If you could find a genuine historic tug say of the BCN type you might be lucky but then again they are old boats with age related problems. I think very few boats like this have been built since the eighties and some have been lengthened so you are fishing in a very small pool and probably waiting for the owners to die off.

When I find I can't cope with a 60 footer and still want to go boating I am resigned to something like a 41ft sea otter which are easy to maintain and much lighter to handle.

Agreed but I have time I'm just fed up of spending so much time on Apollo Duck etc worried I might miss that special craft 😞

 

Missed a short Five Towns cos we went on holiday a few weeks ago which didn't help my mood!

 

Re your Sea Otter comment  I'm not looking for a boat to use any more than a couple of hours at the weekend - what I want is an engaging "man cave" on the water.

 

J

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6 hours ago, Movin' on said:

Bumping again - we are still looking..................it must be out there.

 

J

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1 minute ago, ditchcrawler said:

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This is a trad stern, mid engine narrowboat which is in need of refurbishment to return it to its former glory.

History
Built in 1976 by Teddesley boats as a tug for Birmingham fly boats for use as a trip boat and at one time a tug on the Manchester ship canal, the steel front cabin was added in the 1980s, the rear boatmans cabin has a wooden top and the gunwhales are wood.

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12 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

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Description

This is a trad stern, mid engine narrowboat which is in need of refurbishment to return it to its former glory.

History
Built in 1976 by Teddesley boats as a tug for Birmingham fly boats for use as a trip boat and at one time a tug on the Manchester ship canal, the steel front cabin was added in the 1980s, the rear boatmans cabin has a wooden top and the gunwhales are wood.

3ft too long for the poster unfortunately.

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2 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Its longer than the one I posted 

 

And being wooden, a different league in terms of maintenance.

Just now, agg221 said:

I wondered about Equus but again, too long I think.

 

It's really nice boat, I had a good look over it when for sale at High Line about ten years ago. 

 

The interior was old and tired, but very stylish and moody with loads of dark maroon paintwork and aluminium chequer plate everywhere. Sadly all gone now looking at the current listing photos. 

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