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Hello all, 

Mrs HL is insisting on brightening up the corner holding the stove. Its got dark marble panels, and we are open to ideas. I dont know whats under the panels. They have been on at least 13 years, maybe more. 

Can i tile over them? Paint them? Or just rip them off and get lighter coloured marble or similar? 

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12 hours ago, Hartlebury lad said:

I dont know whats under the panels.

This is probably the most important bit. Especially on an older boat. See here for the current recommendations on stove and surround installation. Also here for why pyrolysis of hidden wood under tiles by a stove is really bad.

Jen

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I would keep the slab under the stove. It's easy to wipe clean. The grout around tiles presents bigger challenges. I suspect there is only plywood behind the granite so the question is how hot does it get when the stove is giving out maximum heat? Tiling on top gives another layer to heat up. 

 

Pulling it all apart and putting in an air break as per recommendations will make for a spacially tight installation. 

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9 hours ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

This is probably the most important bit. Especially on an older boat. See here for the current recommendations on stove and surround installation. Also here for why pyrolysis of hidden wood under tiles by a stove is really bad.

Jen

Or see my post below from 12 years ago.

 

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Thanks again everyone.

Those slabs have been on for about a minimum of 12 years, including when the stove was seriously overloaded and fired up in error ( inexperience back then!)

However,  i am not convinced replacing them is an easy option, especially to comply meticulously with the latest BSS standards, which may involve moving the stove and flue a few mm forward.

I think given the possible hornets nest this could open, i may go with Sir Percys idea!

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15 minutes ago, Hartlebury lad said:

Those slabs have been on for about a minimum of 12 years

Pyrolysis is cumulative. The longer the wood is there being overheated, the more carbonised  the wood gets and the more likely it is to catch fire one day. Time with no problems is no indication that there is no problem. Not to say there actually is a problem, but without investigation, you won't know.

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Fair comment. I may take try to one off to have a look, but the odds are they were fitted correctly anyway. I may well contact the previous owner. 

I certainly don't allow the stove to overheat anymore. The marble never gets so hot that i cant put the flat of my hand on it for a couple of seconds.

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2 hours ago, Hartlebury lad said:

Thanks again everyone.

Those slabs have been on for about a minimum of 12 years, including when the stove was seriously overloaded and fired up in error ( inexperience back then!)

However,  i am not convinced replacing them is an easy option, especially to comply meticulously with the latest BSS standards, which may involve moving the stove and flue a few mm forward.

I think given the possible hornets nest this could open, i may go with Sir Percys idea!

 

If it's been ok for 13 years then I wouldn't rip the slabs out. I'd just give them a good clean, wipe over with white spirit and then tile over using a PU adhesive like Stixall. A blob in each corner of the tile is all you need. Then grout with a flexible grout.

1 hour ago, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Pyrolysis is cumulative. The longer the wood is there being overheated, the more carbonised  the wood gets and the more likely it is to catch fire one day. Time with no problems is no indication that there is no problem. Not to say there actually is a problem, but without investigation, you won't know.

 

Yes, fair point. Maybe do some investigation first to see if there's any charred wood behind.

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If you are going to investigate I'd wait until warmer weather. If you pull it apart and decide you need to move the stove you might have problems getting the flue to fit without putting a bend in it. If that turns out to be the case you need someone who can weld and it all takes time to sort out. 

 

 

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On 14/02/2022 at 10:30, Hartlebury lad said:

Thanks again everyone.

Those slabs have been on for about a minimum of 12 years, including when the stove was seriously overloaded and fired up in error ( inexperience back then!)

However,  i am not convinced replacing them is an easy option, especially to comply meticulously with the latest BSS standards, which may involve moving the stove and flue a few mm forward.

I think given the possible hornets nest this could open, i may go with Sir Percys idea!

Its not a BSS requirement to the best of my knowledge 

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On 14/02/2022 at 10:50, Jen-in-Wellies said:

Pyrolysis is cumulative. The longer the wood is there being overheated, the more carbonised  the wood gets and the more likely it is to catch fire one day. Time with no problems is no indication that there is no problem. Not to say there actually is a problem, but without investigation, you won't know.

I'm sort of hyjacking here, but my stove is installed quite close to the cabin wall, and the bulkhead at right angles to it. Both are tiled, looks like floor tiles. If I were to remove these tiles and replace with either vermiculite or calcium silicate, would this significantly reduce risk of pyrolysis. There are fireproof adhesives and paints on the Vitcas site. 

PS deckhead which is painted ply gets pretty hot occasionally, I have done a bit of bodging there, removing fireclay and using glass fibre to isolate from stove flue. 

PPS could I cover tiles with some sort of reflective foil? 

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4 hours ago, Hudds Lad said:

 

https://www.textiletechnologies.co.uk/products/reflective-heat-shield this was the stuff your mate Cruising the Cut used back in video No.18, i’m sure others are available

Thanks, I think that would work, easier to fit than anything else, looks OK. Presumably thicker one is best. 

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On 03/03/2022 at 19:54, Alan de Enfield said:

 

The new 2022 BSS is a very different beast to the preious issue.

The 2015 issue is 87 pages

The 2022 issue is 167 pages.

 

And I predict BSS inspectors will STILL get through inspecting the whole lot in 45 minutes....

 

 

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52 minutes ago, MtB said:

 

And I predict BSS inspectors will STILL get through inspecting the whole lot in 45 minutes....

 

 

I think you could apply to become an examiner, this would get you a lifetime ticket on the gravy train, plus a few new customers who need your specialist skills. 

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30 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I think you could apply to become an examiner, this would get you a lifetime ticket on the gravy train, plus a few new customers who need your specialist skills. 

 

I don't need to, I have a whole gravy boat of my own already to keep my train in - gas engineering ;) 

 

Boaters by and large, are exactly the type of people i DON'T want as customers. Tight-fisted and know it all, lol! 

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On 03/03/2022 at 20:20, ditchcrawler said:

 

 

On 03/03/2022 at 19:54, Alan de Enfield said:

 

The new 2022 BSS is a very different beast to the preious issue.

The 2015 issue is 87 pages

The 2022 issue is 167 pages.

 

Maybe they printed using a larger font?🤔😄😂

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On 10/02/2022 at 20:09, Hartlebury lad said:

Hello all, 

Mrs HL is insisting on brightening up the corner holding the stove. Its got dark marble panels, and we are open to ideas. I dont know whats under the panels. They have been on at least 13 years, maybe more. 

Can i tile over them? Paint them? Or just rip them off and get lighter coloured marble or similar? 

20160326_082344.jpg

Sounds like a lot of work, effort and expense for something that looks good as it is.

Replacing the fire irons with some that have some shiny brass would brighten up the corner.

 

Give them to your wife on her birthday

Two jobs done in one. 👍
 

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2 hours ago, Goliath said:

Sounds like a lot of work, effort and expense for something that looks good as it is.

Replacing the fire irons with some that have some shiny brass would brighten up the corner.

 

Give them to your wife on her birthday

Two jobs done in one. 👍
 

 

Cue man in casualty with fire iron embedded in his head... 😉

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I think it is black pearl granite not marble. Used it for worktops in my kitchen.

 

One of the most impressive stove installations that I have seen. What a pity to remove the best part of it.

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