FLYTIPPING

[mrsmelly]

3 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Calderdale will accept up to 8 sheets/200Kg of asbestos cement sheets per year. Free disposal, but must be double bagged, delivered only to the Halifax central waste site and by appointment only. And you must take it yourself - if a builder or contractor takes it it is regarded as trade waste and won't be accepted.  So presumably nobody is going to take the couple of dozen sheets of corrugated asbestos which have  been dumped in a passing bay on a local private access tracks (also a public footpath) near here.

Yes, plenty of sites take it and have differing rules. Selby is quite easy and will accept more if you prior arrange. There is a good living to be made from " specialist " removal firms who dont like Joe Bloggs to know they can do it themselves, hence many people thinking its a problem.

[Wanderer Vagabond]

4 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

You are so quick to jump arnt you. Check out what is meant by MOST recycling.............blah blah blah. I took mine to Selby last year and whilst they ask for a set amount if you ring them they accept loads, they even help you unload. Asbestos is also accepted at Lampeter, just up the road. Most places simply ask for it if possible to be dmpened and in sealed bags. Double tied bags is accepted no question. So in short I didnt say its accepted everywhere, try reading before looking like a twatt.

And your evidence that 'most' recycling centres will accept it is? You seem to have been in couple (one of which was last year) a lot of them have changed their rules since the start of the pandemic so I would suggest that someone who claims that 'most' accept asbestos on the basis of two examples just might be the one who is the tw*t

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, mrsmelly said:

Yes, plenty of sites take it and have differing rules. Selby is quite easy and will accept more if you prior arrange. There is a good living to be made from " specialist " removal firms who dont like Joe Bloggs to know they can do it themselves, hence many people thinking its a problem.

 

A large garden does enable such situations to be easily resolved.

[ditchcrawler]

12 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

You are so quick to jump arnt you. Check out what is meant by MOST recycling.............blah blah blah. I took mine to Selby last year and whilst they ask for a set amount if you ring them they accept loads, they even help you unload. Asbestos is also accepted at Lampeter, just up the road. Most places simply ask for it if possible to be dmpened and in sealed bags. Double tied bags is accepted no question. So in short I didnt say its accepted everywhere, try reading before looking like a twatt.

Rushmere to Selby is bit of a run for me 😇 This is what Suffolk says 

Yes, we accept:

• Used motor oil
• Household and vehicle batteries
• Fluorescent tubes and low energy lightbulbs
• TVs and computers
• Fire extinguishers (except Halon & BCFs ones which can be collected through your local council service)

Please ensure that you place them in the designated container.

Recycling centres will not accept other types of household hazardous waste, including paint and asbestos.

Edited December 15, 2021 by ditchcrawler

[mrsmelly]

1 minute ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

And your evidence that 'most' recycling centres will accept it is? You seem to have been in couple (one of which was last year) a lot of them have changed their rules since the start of the pandemic so I would suggest that someone who claims that 'most' accept asbestos on the basis of two examples just might be the one who is the tw*t

Have you always been a bore? Log onto Selby council site TODAY and read what it says TODAY, not last year. If you find it hard to understand pm me or ask on here and I will explain that you can take pre arranged large amounts. They are  very helpful there.You as usual are wrong and will not admit it. I am sure they arnt the only one. Also taken at Lampeter, both local to what I have needed so why do you think there are no more UK wide? 

[Wanderer Vagabond]

3 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

Have you always been a bore? Log onto Selby council site TODAY and read what it says TODAY, not last year. If you find it hard to understand pm me or ask on here and I will explain that you can take pre arranged large amounts. They are  very helpful there.You as usual are wrong and will not admit it. I am sure they arnt the only one. Also taken at Lampeter, both local to what I have needed so why do you think there are no more UK wide? 

Probably because I've travelled to more recycling centres (getting rid of waste boat oil) throughout the UK over the past decade or so than you appear to have done in your usual 'know it all way'. I can, if required tell you of the one's who wont even let you in if you either don't have a residents permit or cannot otherwise prove your local address.

 

All I pointed out was that your observation that getting rid of asbestos was easy, isn't a universal situation, nothing that you have come up with alters that.

[mrsmelly]

1 minute ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

Probably because I've travelled to more recycling centres (getting rid of waste boat oil) throughout the UK over the past decade or so than you appear to have done in your usual 'know it all way'. I can, if required tell you of the one's who wont even let you in if you either don't have a residents permit or cannot otherwise prove your local address.

 

All I pointed out was that your observation that getting rid of asbestos was easy, isn't a universal situation, nothing that you have come up with alters that.

I agree that some are a pain in the arse, but its not hard to find a sensible council. Its offside realy that its a postcode lottery as to where you can take differing stuff to get rid of. The realy awful thing is that even though Selby take anything, they have many areas of tipping in the countryside by scumbags. Anyway, pub time now.

[IanD]

3 minutes ago, Wanderer Vagabond said:

Probably because I've travelled to more recycling centres (getting rid of waste boat oil) throughout the UK over the past decade or so than you appear to have done in your usual 'know it all way'. I can, if required tell you of the one's who wont even let you in if you either don't have a residents permit or cannot otherwise prove your local address.

 

All I pointed out was that your observation that getting rid of asbestos was easy, isn't a universal situation, nothing that you have come up with alters that.

But like PB, smelly is always convinced that his personal experience applies to everybody, regardless of evidence to the contrary...

[Wanderer Vagabond]

26 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:

I agree that some are a pain in the arse, but its not hard to find a sensible council. Its offside realy that its a postcode lottery as to where you can take differing stuff to get rid of. The realy awful thing is that even though Selby take anything, they have many areas of tipping in the countryside by scumbags. Anyway, pub time now.

That is an area I agree with you, and this fly tipping is throughout the country. My original point, going way back in the thread, is that the offenders/scumbags need to be hit with penalties that will put them out of business with the fine money going to local authorities to finance enforcement. Let's say a builder's bag of waste dumped incurs a fine of £20,000 as a ball park starting figure, doubling for further offences (coupled with seizure of any vehicles identified as being used to commit the offence), I'm sure that Local Authorities could make use of that sort of money to improve enforcement.

[Ronaldo47]

A friend's son is a local councillor..He tells me that , while all our Civic Amenity Centres  (a.k.a tips) are run by Essex County Council,  our local Borough Council is lumbered with the responsibility and expense of removing fly tipped rubbish from  public roads and verges. So restricting what can be accepted by the local amenity centre to save the County Council money, has simply shifted the cost to local ratepayers. 

 

Some operators are more vigilant than others. When we cleared my late mother's house a decade ago, her local authority tip  wouldn't accept her old ironing board until I removed the astbestos cement mat for the iron. I kept the mat to use as a heat shield when welding or soldering as it is perfectly sound. At my own  local tip I could just have put the complete ironing board in the scrap metal bin. 

[Davids]

This was left behind yesterday morning after the guy spent a month on the No Mooring renovating his large blue wide beam.

 

 

[Wanderer Vagabond]

On 15/12/2021 at 20:47, Ronaldo47 said:

A friend's son is a local councillor..He tells me that , while all our Civic Amenity Centres  (a.k.a tips) are run by Essex County Council,  our local Borough Council is lumbered with the responsibility and expense of removing fly tipped rubbish from  public roads and verges. So restricting what can be accepted by the local amenity centre to save the County Council money, has simply shifted the cost to local ratepayers. 

 

Some operators are more vigilant than others. When we cleared my late mother's house a decade ago, her local authority tip  wouldn't accept her old ironing board until I removed the astbestos cement mat for the iron. I kept the mat to use as a heat shield when welding or soldering as it is perfectly sound. At my own  local tip I could just have put the complete ironing board in the scrap metal bin. 

There has been more recent article by George Monbiot which demonstrates further the idiocy of our current arrangements regarding waste disposal (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/24/dead-goldfish-licensed-waste-disposer-system-falling-apart). To demonstrate a point he has registered his long dead goldfish (Algernon) as registered waste disposer using a clearly fictitious address and so until recently his dead goldfish was a fully registered waste disposer. If no-one is checking the bone fides of those applying to go on the public register, what is the point of it? Any muppet can get themselves registered, no one is doing much in the way of enforcement and there is serious money to be made from illegal dumping, I wonder why it's happening?

 

When we start getting serious about dealing with these commercial illegal fly-tippers, I'll start to get more excited about someone putting a few ashes in a hedge. Until then it just feels like moving around a few  deckchairs on the Titanic.

Edited December 26, 2021 by Wanderer Vagabond

[LadyG]

On 26/12/2021 at 14:27, Davids said:

This was left behind yesterday morning after the guy spent a month on the No Mooring renovating his large blue wide beam.

 

 

Did you note his number, even better take a photo? 

He should have been on CRT radar if he was there a month. 

3 minutes ago, LadyG said:

 

I had a neighbour dump a bag of stinking food waste in my bin, I soon stopped that, he had left his post inside the bag, I handed it back to him and it never happened again. 

Edited January 3, 2022 by LadyG

[robtheplod]

The penny has finally dropped?

 

DIY waste recycling fees could be scrapped - BBC News

[Tony Brooks]

Just now, robtheplod said:

The penny has finally dropped?

 

DIY waste recycling fees could be scrapped - BBC News

 

In so far as it goes it is progress, now we need the end of "no pedestrian or cycle" access to sites, " booked access only", and "you don't live in this area so shove off".  That needs government money because  local authorities have been starved of funds.

[Jerra]

2 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

 

In so far as it goes it is progress, now we need the end of "no pedestrian or cycle" access to sites, " booked access only", and "you don't live in this area so shove off".  That needs government money because  local authorities have been starved of funds.

The recycling centre my daughter uses in Edinburgh has started to accept cycles.   Here in Cumbria we have no booking and no need to prove where you are from.

 

No help on the cut I know but hopefully the trend will spread.

[Slow and Steady]

Unfortunately it's commercial fly tipping eg builder's waste that's real problem rather than DIY.

[MtB]

37 minutes ago, Slow and Steady said:

Unfortunately it's commercial fly tipping eg builder's waste that's real problem rather than DIY.

 

 

I agree. 45 years ago when I started in building, I regularly generated building waste and it was considered responsible to take it to the municipal tip rather than dump it in a lane somewhere or leave it on site. After a few years they started either charging to dump 'commercial waste', or actually turning you away if you were in a van. So I paid when possible, and got a skip in when not. 

 

FF a few years and all tips turned away anyone commercial, and skip companies started returning stuff you put in the skip they didn't like. This came to a head when I paid something like £250 for a skip to clear a house I'd bought from a computer and car enthusiast. Place was full of car wheels and tyres and CRT monitors (not not that CRT!). I filled the skip with them and the lorry came to collect when I was out. The driver emptied the skip on my drive and took it away leaving a note saying they take neither car tyres of CRT monitors, this info being buried in their T&Cs. At that point I decided to give up building work and change to fixing boilers.

 

I've heard it is far worse now, with skips often having "no plasterboard" written on the side.

 

 

[john.k]

Expose on the tellly of the nexus between the professional waste industry and the various rules and regulations of waste disposal made by councils...........and I might add,the previous mentioned 40 ton trucks travelling to tip,the previous Lord Mayor of that city is presently inside for  a spell  ,having been convicted of taking a $30k bribe from a waste industry operator....among other things.

[Tony Brooks]

1 hour ago, Jerra said:

The recycling centre my daughter uses in Edinburgh has started to accept cycles.   Here in Cumbria we have no booking and no need to prove where you are from.

 

No help on the cut I know but hopefully the trend will spread.

 

That is one of the problems, there no consistency across the country. From what I see in Reading/Wokingham/Bracknel (RE3 is the operator) it started with paying to get rid of DIY waste and any appliance the operators deemed "commercial", despite the price of scrap, then came needing a sticker in the car window, then having to produce photo ID or a recent bill, and finally the need to book plus provide photo ID or a recent bill. I am fully expecting charging for garden waste to be next although I have not seen anything to say that has an basis.

[Hudds Lad]

Don’t see how this will change anything to be honest, most fly tipping is unlicensed waste disposal or the by-products of cannabis grows. Some LA’s stopping charging honest people for disposal will not affect those who never had any intention of taking it to a tip in the first place due to paperwork/cost factors or legality.

 

In the case of my LA this will make no difference, they don’t charge to get rid as they just don’t accept it full stop. Probably because the waste contract is subbed to a private firm and if it won’t go in the incinerator or weigh in for scrap then they won’t touch it.

[cuthound]

5 hours ago, Jerra said:

The recycling centre my daughter uses in Edinburgh has started to accept cycles.   Here in Cumbria we have no booking and no need to prove where you are from.

 

No help on the cut I know but hopefully the trend will spread.

 

My recycling accepts cycles.

 

They go in the "scrap metal" container... 😅

[Jerra]

3 hours ago, Hudds Lad said:

Don’t see how this will change anything to be honest, most fly tipping is unlicensed waste disposal or the by-products of cannabis grows. Some LA’s stopping charging honest people for disposal will not affect those who never had any intention of taking it to a tip in the first place due to paperwork/cost factors or legality.

 

In the case of my LA this will make no difference, they don’t charge to get rid as they just don’t accept it full stop. Probably because the waste contract is subbed to a private firm and if it won’t go in the incinerator or weigh in for scrap then they won’t touch it.

Or just plain idleness.  I passed a fly-tipped double bed today (which would have been readily accepted at the local recycling centre) it was in a lay-by 1 mile out of town and one mile from the "tip".

[ditchcrawler]

1 minute ago, Jerra said:

Or just plain idleness.  I passed a fly-tipped double bed today (which would have been readily accepted at the local recycling centre) it was in a lay-by 1 mile out of town and one mile from the "tip".

Since Covid you are required to have a booking to use our local one, they also close one day mid week

[Slow and Steady]

37 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Or just plain idleness.  I passed a fly-tipped double bed today (which would have been readily accepted at the local recycling centre) it was in a lay-by 1 mile out of town and one mile from the "tip".

Chucked on the way home after refusal?