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40 minutes ago, Goliath said:

That’s including the two pack at £20 per foot.

(if I’ve read it correctly)

 

I note that Debdale Wharf, who do a posh job, are quoting £26 per square metre which is a whole lot cheaper, but then charge extra to move the boat into the blasting bay, and then £45 per hour for preparation.

 

I think (far from sure) that Stone Canal Cruising charged us about about £2000 to grit blast and epoxy the boat (70 foot) but that was a good price and was a fair few years ago.

I think £55 per foot is a bit steep, that's almost £4000 for a 70 footer.

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40 minutes ago, dmr said:

 

I note that Debdale Wharf, who do a posh job, are quoting £26 per square metre which is a whole lot cheaper, but then charge extra to move the boat into the blasting bay, and then £45 per hour for preparation.

 

I think (far from sure) that Stone Canal Cruising charged us about about £2000 to grit blast and epoxy the boat (70 foot) but that was a good price and was a fair few years ago.

I think £55 per foot is a bit steep, that's almost £4000 for a 70 footer.

Looks like Stone are also charging £20 per foot to paint on the 2 pack. But say nothing about grit blasting so I guess they hire someone in or you hire someone in to do it. 

 

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2 hours ago, Goliath said:

Looks like Stone are also charging £20 per foot to paint on the 2 pack. But say nothing about grit blasting so I guess they hire someone in or you hire someone in to do it. 

 

 

I think the grit blasting might be to "special order only". Its a crap job so I got the impression that they only do a few each year.

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3 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

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2 hours ago, dmr said:

 

I note that Debdale Wharf, who do a posh job, are quoting £26 per square metre which is a whole lot cheaper, but then charge extra to move the boat into the blasting bay, and then £45 per hour for preparation.

 

I think (far from sure) that Stone Canal Cruising charged us about about £2000 to grit blast and epoxy the boat (70 foot) but that was a good price and was a fair few years ago.

I think £55 per foot is a bit steep, that's almost £4000 for a 70 footer.

Is @wandering snailstill there, maybe she could ask?

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34 minutes ago, dmr said:

 

I think the grit blasting might be to "special order only". Its a crap job so I got the impression that they only do a few each year.


Do you remember how long it took for your 72’ boat to be blasted? 
I would guess it’s a day and a half? Possibly two?

Did you prep it? Or trust it to the grit blasters?

 

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grit blasting looks like a monotonous job. Watched a video, posted on here I think. Interesting to see how it’s done but would do me nut in if I had to that job for any length of time. 

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31 minutes ago, Goliath said:


Do you remember how long it took for your 72’ boat to be blasted? 
I would guess it’s a day and a half? Possibly two?

Did you prep it? Or trust it to the grit blasters?

 

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grit blasting looks like a monotonous job. Watched a video, posted on here I think. Interesting to see how it’s done but would do me nut in if I had to that job for any length of time. 

 

We paid Stone to do the lot, We had done it twice before ourselves so knew how hard and dirty it was 😀

Plan was a standard blacking so the boat was pressure washed and scraped, this revealed some pitting so after negotiation with the bossman they agreed to do an epoxy job.

They spent the next day wrapping the cabin in a plastic bag, plus other prep, and told us we had no access to the boat the following day. We hired a car and went for a drive.

I think we came back late afternoon and the boat was blasted and they had just started to put the first coat of epoxy on.

 

It might have been cheaper to spend the whole day in a pub but the dog was a lot younger then and less skilled at pub going.

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I had my widebeam grit blasted by a mobile blasting service for £350 in 2015. That included hull sides up to the top rubbing strake, swims, uxter plate and the upswept part of the baseplate at the bow but not the rest of the baseplate as it was only about 18" off the bottom of the dock so too low and inaccessible.

 

It took the blaster half a day to do all that then I spent a whole day sweeping off the mess. I applied the epoxy myself. 4 coats.

 

It's not difficult as long as you read the technical data sheet beforehand and have everything ready. Important points are mixing part A (paint) thoroughly before adding part B (hardener) in the correct proportions by weight or volume as specified in the TDS. Also be aware of your minimum and maximum overcoating times and final curing time before the boat goes back into the water. 

 

If you use the winter grade hardeners that come with some epoxies you can paint at ambient temperatures down to about 10 degrees C or even less. 

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I some how thought blasting would take much longer. Sounds like the nastiest bit is clearing up the mess. 
 

So all in all grit blasting and your first painting of epoxy 2pac doesn’t have to be of mega mega expense if you choose the right yard, a mobile blaster and paint the boat yourself (and pay a mate beer to help).

 

I’m beginning to think it is the way forward: less visits to a dry dock for blacking means it’s more cost effective, and a tougher paint offering better protection.

 

As long as you can afford the initial first paint in 2 pack epoxy, what’s not to like?

 

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It’s a no brainer!!

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9 minutes ago, Goliath said:

I some how thought blasting would take much longer. Sounds like the nastiest bit is clearing up the mess. 
 

So all in all grit blasting and your first painting of epoxy 2pac doesn’t have to be of mega mega expense if you choose the right yard, a mobile blaster and paint the boat yourself (and pay a mate beer to help).

 

I’m beginning to think it is the way forward: less visits to a dry dock for blacking means it’s more cost effective, and a tougher paint offering better protection.

 

As long as you can afford the initial first paint in 2 pack epoxy, what’s not to like?

 

edit to add;

It’s a no brainer!!

 

Stone were pretty organised, they had the huge plastic cover all ready to drop over the boat.

Because ours was an unplanned job they had hirers cars parked quite close so had to cover those too.

I think they just do one big dry dock clean up every year or two which keeps the costs down a little bit, and have all their own equipment so no sub contractors.

 

Epoxy gives much better protection but you still need to come out of the water quite often to fix the scrapes (unless you are a static boat).

I think every 2 years with blacking, every 3 or 4 years with epoxy.

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12 minutes ago, dmr said:

 

Stone were pretty organised, they had the huge plastic cover all ready to drop over the boat.

Because ours was an unplanned job they had hirers cars parked quite close so had to cover those too.

I think they just do one big dry dock clean up every year or two which keeps the costs down a little bit, and have all their own equipment so no sub contractors.

 

Epoxy gives much better protection but you still need to come out of the water quite often to fix the scrapes (unless you are a static boat).

I think every 2 years with blacking, every 3 or 4 years with epoxy.


I have aimed at 3 years for blacking 😃

I’m hoping for 5! with epoxy 👍

 

What really gets my attention is the sand blasting back to bare metal, as long as it don’t make the boat fall apart (more than it is already is) it will reveal all the rivet heads buried under years of paint and it’ll then just look dead smart. 
 

 

 

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I bought a boat which had been epoxied from new then left for 18 years, it looked pretty good, and was supposed to be re coated, but it was put back in the water instead, so by the time I got it out there was little or no epoxy, but no corrosion. 

I had it power washed and wire brushed by boatyard then three coats of Jotamastic 90, good weather, I painted it myself as I had the time and the inclination, not too bad a job, used SML epoxy blacking kit. 

It cost about £1200, including four outsize anodes,  I painted it myself, pretty thick, very smooth, so boat now goes faster! 

Not cheap, but I don't expect to re do it, it should last 10 to 15 years. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, LadyG said:

 

It cost about £1200, including four outsize anodes,  I painted it myself, pretty thick, very smooth, so boat now goes faster! 

Not cheap, but I don't expect to re do it, it should last 10 to 15 years. 

 

 

Good to hear. 

A faster boat too! Hope you painted the go faster strips on at the same time. 

 


 

 

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1 hour ago, Goliath said:

I some how thought blasting would take much longer. Sounds like the nastiest bit is clearing up the mess. 
 

So all in all grit blasting and your first painting of epoxy 2pac doesn’t have to be of mega mega expense if you choose the right yard, a mobile blaster and paint the boat yourself (and pay a mate beer to help).

 

I’m beginning to think it is the way forward: less visits to a dry dock for blacking means it’s more cost effective, and a tougher paint offering better protection.

 

As long as you can afford the initial first paint in 2 pack epoxy, what’s not to like?

 

edit to add;

It’s a no brainer!!

 

The hard part is finding a yard which a) does grit blasting or allows you to bring in your own contractor. b) doesn't insist on doing the painting themselves after the grit blasting is done.

 

It's not in most boat yard's interest to do the hard part and let you do the easy part yourself so that you can pay less. Most would much rather charge you big money for the whole job.

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10 hours ago, Goliath said:

Absolutely, but there’s always an option to ‘mix and match’ without having to pay a yard to do the whole lot. 

Depends how far were willing to travel/boat. 

 

If you are going to the expense of blasting and buying epoxy paint I would bay to have it put on with an airless spray, much better covering and wet film thickness if done correctly.

 

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They also build exceptionally good boats as well, particularly for the specialist trip boat and community boat market. I speak as the trustee of a SCIO (Scottish Charity) who took delivery of one of their vessels about two years ago. We pretty much carried out the basic design ourselves having had experience of 'chartering' a boat locally, so knew what we wanted. Crafted Boats were excellent in translating our very specific requirements into the finished boat. This is a wide beam that it has worked hard ever since its arrival and it has not in any way disappointed!

 

Just thought it was worth mentioning!

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On 26/10/2021 at 22:21, Goliath said:

Good to hear. 

A faster boat too! Hope you painted the go faster strips on at the same time. 

 


 

 

I did, I bought a tin of red gloss for the rubbing stakes, looked very smart, 

 

....... for a few months, now a bit more rust red from continuous mooring on the L & L. 

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7 hours ago, LadyG said:

I did, I bought a tin of red gloss for the rubbing stakes, looked very smart, 

 

....... for a few months, now a bit more rust red from continuous mooring on the L & L. 

Are you still broken on the Long & Leaky?

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We are booked in to have the bottom epoxy coated at the same time as it's having some welding and a new paint job so I have no idea what it costs just to get the hull done. When we bought, we set a budget and we liked the boat except the paint was very old and worn. The cost of getting the paint redone on top of our offer was still in our budget so we went for it. The survey reported that some areas of blacking was probably donkeys years old and not still adhering to the steel so as the top was due to be blasted we negotiated top and bottom stripped whilst they had all sand blasting kit out.

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