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15 minutes ago, Alway Swilby said:

Talking of streaming from the internet how do you get over the commercial channels forcing you to watch the adverts by not being able to wizz through them? I have a terrestrial aerial connected to a PVR and record loads of stuff on to it. When watching if an advert comes on I just wizz through it. On the rare occasions thet there is a poor signal I do resort to the iplayer, itv hub, all4 etc built in to the telly. However I then have to watch ( or rather ignore) the adverts.

I do exactly the same (record to YouView PVR or hard disk attached to Freeview Play TV) so I can skip adverts, which I absolutely loathe. I often watch BBC on catchup using iPlayer but only resort to the services with ads as a last resort, usually if I forgot to record something. Obviously I have a TV license... 😉

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14 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

You have to watch them, but there tends to be less of them. If you're watching older programmes then sometimes there's no ads at all....

 

12 minutes ago, The Happy Nomad said:

 

You can't and it's of course deliberate,

 

If you upgrade to ITV Hub+ though for example you don't get any ads.

I see this as a major downside of streaming. I think I'll stick with the terrestrial aerial and PVR. Upgrading to Hub+ would only do ITV, you would also have to upgrade the ALL 4 and My5 stuff too.

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1 minute ago, IanD said:

I do exactly the same (record to YouView PVR or hard disk attached to Freeview Play TV) so I can skip adverts, which I absolutely loathe. I often watch BBC on catchup using iPlayer but only resort to the services with ads as a last resort, usually if I forgot to record something. Obviously I have a TV license... 😉

Thats fine.... you're paying £159 a year for the privilege :)

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9 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

Thats fine.... you're paying £159 a year for the privilege :)

To watch or record live TV or use iPlayer you should have a license, I do all three, and I'm happy to pay the BBC for this (which also supports what I think is probably the best public service broadcaster there is) and stay legal -- even if I could ignore this on the principle that I'm unlikely to get caught... 😉

 

If people do none of the above (like you?) then I agree they have no reason to pay for a license.

 

If they do and don't pay, they're basically being parasites riding on the back of those who follow the law and do pay and are also removing revenue needed to fund the BBC, so excuse me if I happen to think this is wrong... 😉

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19 hours ago, Nightwatch said:

If I could go back to basics please. We bought a cheapy pro logic Ariel from Midland Chandlers. (£22 I think). Works wonderfully. Until in  a weak signal area.

After months of humming a arrring I find that it’s the inferior cable to fault. This post is of interest. I like the idea of a good quality cable as described above (quad shield). I can purchase some cable easily.

Does anyone have experience of fitting a connector at the telly end? Is it the same as I have done for many years? Is it a different ‘connector’? Is it best to get an installer onboard to do the job? Seems a bit of an overspend if it’s a basic fix.

All the connectors for quad shield are exactly the same as with standard cable.  Prior to bringing in the professional installer to supply and install the quad shield I'd on many occasions trimmed (prepared) the normal cable correctly before fitting the connectors. but it barely improved the signal. So how much the massive improvement in signal is down to the quad cable and how much was as a result of having a professional doing it is difficult to tell. The supply and fitting of the cable and the £15 aerial cost me £135, a lot of money but worth it to keep Mrs Grassman happy :) . 

 

I suspect the improvement is more due to the quality of the cable so perhaps buy the quad cable, try doing the connections yourself, and then just pay for a professional if there isn't much improvement.

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On 30/09/2021 at 10:33, robtheplod said:

You don't have to prove anything, the onus is on them to prove you do. It really isn't an issue and I suspect most people watching via the internet don't need a licence but many buy one anyway as they are unsure of the rules...

I don't know what technology is used by today's detector vans but it used to be the case that they could tell what you were watching. Of course, there was no streaming back then :)

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6 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:

I don't know what technology is used by today's detector vans but it used to be the case that they could tell what you were watching. Of course, there was no streaming back then :)

Detector vans were a myth. There has never been a single prosecution as a result of these vans. Ex-employees have also stated they didn't have anything in them...  :)

 

The BBC now use a database of addresses with and without a licence. If you don't have a licence you are automatically assumed to be watching illegally, which is no longer the case and shows the BBC's mentality.

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50 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

Detector vans were a myth. There has never been a single prosecution as a result of these vans. Ex-employees have also stated they didn't have anything in them...  :)

 

The BBC now use a database of addresses with and without a licence. If you don't have a licence you are automatically assumed to be watching illegally, which is no longer the case and shows the BBC's mentality.

 

In your case you're doing what is legal, but there are many other self-confessed license dodgers who watch TV and use iPlayer without one in the knowledge that they're unlikely to be caught.

 

How else can the BBC find them and try and make them cough up? (though unsuccessfully if they refuse to play ball)

 

Are you suggesting the BBC should just give up any attempt to enforce the law, because it doesn't apply to you? 😉

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1 minute ago, IanD said:

 

In your case you're doing what is legal, but there are many other self-confessed license dodgers who watch TV and use iPlayer without one in the knowledge that they're unlikely to be caught.

 

How else can the BBC find them and try and make them cough up? (though unsuccessfully if they refuse to play ball)

 

Are you suggesting the BBC should just give up any attempt to enforce the law, because it doesn't apply to you? 😉

 

The BBC assumes everyone still watches terrestrial TV and everyone should have a licence. This assumption dates back to the days when that was true - if you had a TV you needed a licence as all you could watch was terrestrial. The problem I have with the BBC is they have not moved on from the 70's, mainly as they don't have to, they have an almost guaranteed income until 2027. They could for instance force people to enter their TV licence number to get into iPlayer, this would stop any illegal viewing, yet they choose not to - allowing instead on an easily faked email address entry. Many moons back TV's had a subscription card slot - I can't recall the name of it (CAM?), but it made scrambling of TV signals simple so you could have subscription terrestrial TV - something that is not possible now. The BBC alone were responsible for this being dropped as it put pressure on them to go down the subscription route. The BBC like the licence model as it is.

 

I'm fine with the BBC (Capita) enforcing the TV licence, as long as they realise that a rapidly growing population now view content in a way that does not require a licence and they need to accept this. I object to being assumed to be a guilty person in the eyes of the BBC simply because I'm not interested in viewing their content. The number of licence fee payers is dropping rapidly as youngsters don't pay (they dont need to as they generally always watch catchup) and more older people are discovering the convenience of catchup services and cancelling. More people are also waking up to the fact that TV licensing is not the  'scary big brother' that the BBC likes to make it out to be, its just sales people trying to get you to buy their product through legal menacing means that other companies would be in court for.

 

The licence is hopelessly out of date for modern times and has some truly silly bits. You can watch TV on your phone away from your home if you have a licence, but if you plug it into charge then you're breaking the law..... how silly...

 

It won't be too long before the public decide on how viable the licence fee model is, and this will be well before 2027 at the current rate......

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35 minutes ago, IanD said:

How else can the BBC find them and try and make them cough up?

 

Well those using iPlayer are at risk of their ISP supplying the TV Licensing 'team' with damning data IMO, should the team ever have the gumption to ask the ISPs which accounts ever connected to iPlayer.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

 

The BBC assumes everyone still watches terrestrial TV and everyone should have a licence. This assumption dates back to the days when that was true - if you had a TV you needed a licence as all you could watch was terrestrial. The problem I have with the BBC is they have not moved on from the 70's, mainly as they don't have to, they have an almost guaranteed income until 2027. They could for instance force people to enter their TV licence number to get into iPlayer, this would stop any illegal viewing, yet they choose not to - allowing instead on an easily faked email address entry. Many moons back TV's had a subscription card slot - I can't recall the name of it (CAM?), but it made scrambling of TV signals simple so you could have subscription terrestrial TV - something that is not possible now. The BBC alone were responsible for this being dropped as it put pressure on them to go down the subscription route. The BBC like the licence model as it is.

 

I'm fine with the BBC (Capita) enforcing the TV licence, as long as they realise that a rapidly growing population now view content in a way that does not require a licence and they need to accept this. I object to being assumed to be a guilty person in the eyes of the BBC simply because I'm not interested in viewing their content. The number of licence fee payers is dropping rapidly as youngsters don't pay (they dont need to as they generally always watch catchup) and more older people are discovering the convenience of catchup services and cancelling. More people are also waking up to the fact that TV licensing is not the  'scary big brother' that the BBC likes to make it out to be, its just sales people trying to get you to buy their product through legal menacing means that other companies would be in court for.

 

The licence is hopelessly out of date for modern times and has some truly silly bits. You can watch TV on your phone away from your home if you have a licence, but if you plug it into charge then you're breaking the law..... how silly...

 

It won't be too long before the public decide on how viable the licence fee model is, and this will be well before 2027 at the current rate......

 

Can't argue with that 😞

 

How do you think the BBC should be funded if not through the TV license? Or do you think they're a rubbish outmoded lefty organisation which deserves to be scrapped or commercialised, like some others on the forum?

 

[genuine questions, not attacking you...]

1 minute ago, MtB said:

 

Well those using iPlayer are at risk of their ISP supplying the TV Licensing 'team' with damning data IMO, should the team ever have the gumption to ask the ISPs which accounts ever connected to iPlayer.

 

 

 

Except ISPs aren't legally allowed to do that, so your opinion is wrong...

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Just now, MtB said:

 

Well those using iPlayer are at risk of their ISP supplying the TV Licensing 'team' with damning data IMO, should the team ever have the gumption to ask the ISPs which accounts ever connected to iPlayer.

 

 

This has been discussed and its almost impossible for the BBC to obtain this information due to GDPR. It wont do any good also as most people who connect to the internet do so using variable IP's - most ISP's are reluctant to give users a static IP unless they ask for it.

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11 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

 

The BBC assumes everyone still watches terrestrial TV and everyone should have a licence.

It doesn't have to be terrestrial TV TV that was streamed live and watched or recorded and then watched requires  licence.

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3 minutes ago, IanD said:

 

Can't argue with that 😞

 

How do you think the BBC should be funded if not through the TV license? Or do you think they're a rubbish outmoded lefty organisation which deserves to be scrapped or commercialised, like some others on the forum?

 

[genuine questions, not attacking you...]

 

Except ISPs aren't legally allowed to do that, so your opinion is wrong...

The BBC need to find new ways to fund themselves. Advertising or subscription. Either way, the laws on TV licensing need to be scrapped. We're constantly told how great the BBC is and how popular their programmes are etc.... if this is true then people won't mind subscribing to them and advertisers will come flocking..... the truth is though, the BBC knows that whatever happens, funds will reduce and hence why it fights tooth and nail to keep its excessive income and unfair advantage over other broadcasters.

3 minutes ago, Jerra said:

It doesn't have to be terrestrial TV TV that was streamed live and watched or recorded and then watched requires  licence.

True

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1 minute ago, robtheplod said:

 We're constantly told how great the BBC is and how popular their programmes are etc....

Certainly as far as my TV use is concerned I find more programmes on BBC that appeal than other channels and when I watch other channels very often the programme is an old BBC one sold on to another channel.

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Just now, robtheplod said:

The BBC need to find new ways to fund themselves. Advertising or subscription. Either way, the laws on TV licensing need to be scrapped. We're constantly told how great the BBC is and how popular their programmes are etc.... if this is true then people won't mind subscribing to them and advertisers will come flocking..... the truth is though, the BBC knows that whatever happens, funds will reduce and hence why it fights tooth and nail to keep its excessive income and unfair advantage over other broadcasters.

The reason many people like the BBC is precisely the lack of advertising. Many people including me are happy to pay for this. Some like you aren't, which is valid if you don't watch any BBC programmes or listen to any BBC radio, all of which are largely funded from the license fee. A subscription is just the license fee by another name, since you don't need to pay the fee if -- like you -- you don't watch the BBC.

 

I get that you hate the BBC and want to break it up/sell it off/get rid of it; many other people don't share your views...

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6 minutes ago, Jerra said:

Certainly as far as my TV use is concerned I find more programmes on BBC that appeal than other channels and when I watch other channels very often the programme is an old BBC one sold on to another channel.

Thats fine. Can i ask what other channels you are able to watch?

5 minutes ago, IanD said:

The reason many people like the BBC is precisely the lack of advertising. Many people including me are happy to pay for this. Some like you aren't, which is valid if you don't watch any BBC programmes or listen to any BBC radio, all of which are largely funded from the license fee. A subscription is just the license fee by another name, since you don't need to pay the fee if -- like you -- you don't watch the BBC.

 

I get that you hate the BBC and want to break it up/sell it off/get rid of it; many other people don't share your views...

I don't hate the BBC, I just think they are funded in a way that gives them a grossly unfair advantage in this modern age. This leads to them being a little bit preachy and arrogant amongst broadcasters as they don't have to try. If people are happy to pay their licence fee just for no adverts then thats fine - they can do this much cheaper with other services, but i understand that many people still hold the BBC dear to them from years gone by...

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1 hour ago, robtheplod said:

Detector vans were a myth. There has never been a single prosecution as a result of these vans. Ex-employees have also stated they didn't have anything in them...  :)

 

I did a work experience placement from school with the Post Office on the detector vans.

 

We could indeed tell which part of a property a switched on, receiving TV was in and which channel it was tuned to.

 

As long as it is a cathode ray tube set with an analogue tuner the detectors work fine, and all TVs were back then.

 

The main purpose of the vans was to drive around neighbourhoods with huge rabbit ears on top and "TV Detector Van" painted on the side though as just doing this increased licence sales in the area.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

Thats fine. Can i ask what other channels you are able to watch?

I don't hate the BBC, I just think they are funded in a way that gives them a grossly unfair advantage in this modern age. This leads to them being a little bit preachy and arrogant amongst broadcasters as they don't have to try. If people are happy to pay their licence fee just for no adverts then thats fine - they can do this much cheaper with other services, but i understand that many people still hold the BBC dear to them from years gone by...

 

What other services offer the breadth of BBC programmes for about £3 a week? Please don't suggest Amazon Prime, or Now TV...

 

I like the BBC because they don't have adverts and they still make a lot of good programmes, nothing to do with nostalgia.

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UK TV that the BBC had a significant shareholding in when it was set up is the group that shows most programs that were made for the BBC at the expense of the BBC licence fee payers. Apart from the adverts, I suppose it's fair enough on Drama and Yesterday, but the subscription service Gold I find an affront to those who paid to get the programmes made.

 

I believe the BBC has sold off a lot of its shareholding once UKTV had got their content, but can't be sure about that. If t's true it makes me think palms had been greased.

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6 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

UK TV that the BBC had a significant shareholding in when it was set up is the group that shows most programs that were made for the BBC at the expense of the BBC licence fee payers. Apart from the adverts, I suppose it's fair enough on Drama and Yesterday, but the subscription service Gold I find an affront to those who paid to get the programmes made.

 

I believe the BBC has sold off a lot of its shareholding once UKTV had got their content, but can't be sure about that. If t's true it makes me think palms had been greased.

The BBC sell off a lot of its content. It has another company BBC Studios which is a private company and owns most shows, sells them abroad. It also pays lots of the higher stars from this such as Graham Norton so they don't have to declare it.

9 minutes ago, IanD said:

 

What other services offer the breadth of BBC programmes for about £3 a week? Please don't suggest Amazon Prime, or Now TV...

 

I like the BBC because they don't have adverts and they still make a lot of good programmes, nothing to do with nostalgia.

That's fine Ian, you watch BBC with my blessing!  :)

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12 minutes ago, robtheplod said:

The BBC sell off a lot of its content. It has another company BBC Studios which is a private company and owns most shows, sells them abroad. It also pays lots of the higher stars from this such as Graham Norton so they don't have to declare it.

 

 

That is just an accounting fiddle. I am fine with them selling abroad, in fact I welcome it, It's when they sell to commercial operators in the UK and then shut the people who paid for them to be made out unless hey pay again. The way the BBC does this sort of thing stinks.

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