five year rule

[dreadnought]

hi all,can anyone tell me if the five year rule still applies (being able to sell a boat without an RCD after five years)are there new regulations come in since 2017? many thanks

[GUMPY]

Yes and Yes

The original builders are now liable for anything dangerous for the life of the boat 😁

Ade will be along shortly with chapter and verse

[Tracy D'arth]

This is also being discussed in the "rcd" thread.

[David Mack]

Yes. Still applies. The 2017 rules are more onerous.

And the EU RCD has now been replaced by the UK RCR, but the requirements are essentially the same.

[ditchcrawler]

51 minutes ago, Loddon said:

Yes and Yes

The original builders are now liable for anything dangerous for the life of the boat 😁

Ade will be along shortly with chapter and verse

Sam Springer will be turning in his grave with worry, I don't think any of his boats were built to RCD requirements

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, dreadnought said:

hi all,can anyone tell me if the five year rule still applies (being able to sell a boat without an RCD after five years)are there new regulations come in since 2017? many thanks

 

Yes, it is still 5 years after '1st use', "1st placed onto the market" - IT IS NOT - when completed.

 

I do not have a copy of the RCR (UK version) guidelines yet, but they are the same, but with a new 'cover' on the 'book'.

 

See subsection G

 

Scope     

Section 2.

This order shall apply to the following products:

1) Recreational craft and partly completed recreational craft;

2) personal watercraft and partly completed personal watercraft;

3) components listed in Annex II when placed on the Union market separately, hereinafter referred to as ‘components’;

4) propulsion engines which are installed or specifically intended for installation on or in watercraft;

5) propulsion engines installed on or in watercraft that are subject to a major engine modification;

6) watercraft that are subject to major craft conversion. Subsection 2. This order shall not apply to the following products:

1) With regard to the design and construction requirements set out in Part A of Annex I:

a) watercraft intended solely for racing, including rowing racing boats and training rowing boats, labelled as such by the manufacturer;

b) canoes and kayaks designed to be propelled solely by human power, gondolas and pedalos;

c) surfboards designed solely to be propelled by wind and to be operated by a person or persons standing;

d) surfboards;

e) original historical watercraft and individual replicas thereof designed before 1950, built predominantly with the original materials and labelled as such by the manufacturer;

f) experimental watercraft, provided that they are not placed on the Union market;

g) watercraft built for own use, provided that they are not subsequently placed on the Union market during a period of five years from the putting into service of the watercraft

 

 

See defintions 12 & 13

 

Definitions Section 3.

For the purposes of this order the following definitions shall apply:

1) ‘watercraft’ means any recreational craft or personal watercraft;

2) ‘recreational craft’ means any watercraft of any type, excluding personal watercraft, intended for sports and leisure purposes of hull length from 2.5 m to 24 m, regardless of the means of propulsion;

3) ‘personal watercraft’ means a watercraft intended for sports and leisure purposes of less than 4 m in hull length which uses a propulsion engine having a water jet pump as its primary source of propulsion and designed to be operated by a person or persons sitting, standing or kneeling on, rather than within the confines of, a hull;

4) ‘watercraft built for own use’ means a watercraft predominantly built by its future user for his own use;

5) ‘propulsion engine’ means any spark or compression ignition, internal combustion engine used directly or indirectly for propulsion purposes;

6) ‘major engine modification’ means the modification of a propulsion engine which could potentially cause the engine to exceed the emission limits set out in Part B of Annex I or increases the rated power of the engine by more than 15 %; 3

7) ‘major craft conversion’ means a conversion of a watercraft which changes the means of propulsion of the watercraft, involves a major engine modification, or alters the watercraft to such an extent that it may not meet the applicable essential safety and environmental requirements laid down in this order;

😎 ‘means of propulsion’ means the method by which the watercraft is propelled;

9) ‘engine family’ means the manufacturer’s grouping of engines which, through their design, have similar exhaust or noise emission characteristics;

10) ‘hull length’ means the length of the hull measured in accordance with the harmonised standard;

11) ‘making available on the market’ means any supply of a product for distribution, consumption or use on the Union market in the course of a commercial activity, whether in return for payment or free of charge;

12) ‘placing on the market’ means the first making available of a product on the Union market;

13) ‘putting into service’ means the first use of a product covered by this order in the Union by its end-user

 

 

 

I have found and read the RCR Act of Parliament, and the wording is the same. Should you wish to avail yourself of some 'light reading', fill your boots here :

 

The Recreational Craft Regulations 2017 (legislation.gov.uk)

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Alan de Enfield

[Alan de Enfield]

2 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Sam Springer will be turning in his grave with worry, I don't think any of his boats were built to RCD requirements

 

Not particularly helpful !!

 

 

Your business insurance (well ours was) is required to be valid for 25 years after you cease business, this is to allow for retrospective claims for Asbestosis, RCD non-compliance etc etc.

 

[ditchcrawler]

6 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Not particularly helpful !!

 

 

Your business insurance (well ours was) is required to be valid for 25 years after you cease business, this is to allow for retrospective claims for Asbestosis, RCD non-compliance etc etc.

 

Please read what it was in reply to.