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[Jen-in-Wellies]

12 hours ago, matty40s said:

Who goes walking over MY bridge........

Cant you see the red tape and out of order notices....

Now you're just trolling. 😀

[ditchcrawler]

Two identical signs at each end of the tunnel

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by ditchcrawler

[David Mack]

I'm not seeing the pic here.

[ditchcrawler]

2 minutes ago, David Mack said:

I'm not seeing the pic here.

Can you look again please?

[David Mack]

4 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Can you look again please?

Now 2 pics I can't see.☹️

[Hudds Lad]

4 minutes ago, David Mack said:

Now 2 pics I can't see.☹️

Must be obscured by snow, just white boxes for me too

[Alan de Enfield]

39 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Two identical signs at each end of the tunnel

 

 

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[David Mack]

I see it now. I commented on the unhelpful information on those signs a few weeks ago:

 

[ditchcrawler]

39 minutes ago, David Mack said:

I see it now. I commented on the unhelpful information on those signs a few weeks ago:

 

Were there two signs there then, I can only see one in your photo, Just wondering how new the second one is.

[Alan de Enfield]

 

 

The two signs are not identical, the one in the foreground has more information than the one in the background.

[ditchcrawler]

16 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

 

The two signs are not identical, the one in the foreground has more information than the one in the background.

They look pretty similar to me, but not quite

 

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by ditchcrawler

[David Mack]

30 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

Were there two signs there then, I can only see one in your photo, Just wondering how new the second one is.

There were certainly 2 signs at the south end. If you zoom in on my first photo you can see the posts for the sign nearer the tunnel entrance, which just happens to be right behind the foreground sign.

Edited November 28, 2021 by David Mack

[Hudds Lad]

One thing i notice with these signs, if a complete novice turns up in a their newly purchased boat they have no idea if it’s a both ways at once or one way at once tunnel. 

Obviously you could work this out from the first sign as it carries dimension information, but what if you’re not carrying the hubble telescope on board? Information signs should be as simple and clear as possible and assume you know nothing.

[LadyG]

I can't read both signs, one is too fuzzy, but what does the canoe sign mean, looks like they are encouraged or to be expected, do they have to carry tunnel lights? 

I think it totally dangerous to allow them at all. 

Do all users wear lifejackets? 

Does the boat which uses its horn first have right of way, that's certainly how I use mine, in the hope that anyone at the other end will not attempt to transit. 

I believe the tunnels round here are wide, but personally I don't want to meet anyone coming in the opposite direction. 

The one I came through that had lights, red or green, gave a very tight transit time IMHO. 

Edited November 29, 2021 by LadyG

[David Mack]

4 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I can't read both signs, one is too fuzzy, but what does the canoe sign mean, looks like they are encouraged or to be expected, do they have to carry tunnel lights? 

I think it totally dangerous to allow them at all. 

Do all users wear lifejackets? 

Canoes are permitted in shorter tunnels, including this one at Snarestone.

[Hudds Lad]

5 minutes ago, LadyG said:

I can't read both signs, one is too fuzzy, but what does the canoe sign mean, looks like they are encouraged or to be expected, do they have to carry tunnel lights? 

I think it totally dangerous to allow them at all. 

Do all users wear lifejackets? 

Its a little icon of a canoeist wearing a headtorch, which is as close as they can get to a headlamp i suppose

[Alan de Enfield]

24 minutes ago, LadyG said:

but what does the canoe sign mean, looks like they are encouraged or to be expected, do they have to carry tunnel lights? 

I think it totally dangerous to allow them at all. 

Do all users wear lifejackets? 

 

All canoeists are required to wear lifejackets. (see the C&RT website canoeing page)

 

Following the Harecastle accident when the boater 'fell' off the back of the boat, I believe it became 'recommended' that life jackets should be worn by boaters when in tunnels.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Alan de Enfield

[ditchcrawler]

3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

All canoeists are required to wear lifejackets. (see the C&RT website canoeing page)

 

Shouldn't that also be recommended not required, can CRT insist you wear one. Most canoeists do anyway

[Momac]

Should lifejackets or buoyancy aids  be worn by skipper and crew when on  the move regardless of being in a tunnel and regardless of the type of vessel?

 

I am river based where, like wearing a seat belt in a car, a lifejacket is worn routinely (by most people).

[Alan de Enfield]

3 minutes ago, MartynG said:

I am river based where, like wearing a seat belt in a car, a lifejacket is worn routinely (by most people).

 

And why wouldn't you.

A lifejacket is not a sign of 'lack of manliness', more a sign of IQ. (to use a meme in another thread)

[IanD]

24 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

And why wouldn't you.

A lifejacket is not a sign of 'lack of manliness', more a sign of IQ. (to use a meme in another thread)

On a river a lifejacket is certainly a good idea, given the depth of moving water and the consequences of falling in, far more people drown in rivers than canals.

 

Whether boaters think it's generally worth it on the canals is a matter of personal preference, the risks are lower when you can generally stand up and walk out if you fall in (yes I know you could theoretically hit your head and drown, but this is not exactly common). If you look at the numbers the risks are probably highest in locks and tunnels but are still very low.

 

Nothing to do with manliness or IQ, just whether people want to put up with the small nuisance of wearing a lifejacket on a canal vs. the *extremely* small chance that it will save their life. People do far riskier things every day without extra safety precautions, for example going downstairs or up a ladder, boiling a kettle...

 

("excluding transport" means cars/bikes, which are pretty damn risky in comparison...)

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by IanD

[Jim Riley]

5 hours ago, IanD said:

On a river a lifejacket is certainly a good idea, given the depth of moving water and the consequences of falling in, far more people drown in rivers than canals.

 

Whether boaters think it's generally worth it on the canals is a matter of personal preference, the risks are lower when you can generally stand up and walk out if you fall in (yes I know you could theoretically hit your head and drown, but this is not exactly common). If you look at the numbers the risks are probably highest in locks and tunnels but are still very low.

 

Nothing to do with manliness or IQ, just whether people want to put up with the small nuisance of wearing a lifejacket on a canal vs. the *extremely* small chance that it will save their life. People do far riskier things every day without extra safety precautions, for example going downstairs or up a ladder, boiling a kettle...

 

("excluding transport" means cars/bikes, which are pretty damn risky in comparison...)

 

The percentages don't match with the pie slice sizes! That could cause an accident.

[sueb]

On 24/08/2021 at 22:47, nbfiresprite said:

Who at CRT?, own or have shares in the sign making company?

Careful,  I got threatened with slander when I said that to a BW director many years ago.

[MtB]

5 hours ago, Jim Riley said:

The percentages don't match with the pie slice sizes! That could cause an accident.

 

Lol, I nearly crashed the van when I read that!!

 

 

[ditchcrawler]

Just now, MtB said:

 

Lol, I nearly crashed the van when I read that!!

 

 

Laptop or I pad?