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We have recently bought a 22 year old nb with a Sealand Traveller drop through loo. Everything has been working fine but we are getting a strange kind of sweet smell appearing in various cupboards around the boat. We are fairly sure the holding tank is not leaking as the bilges are completely dry. However,  we are wondering if it could be something to do with the vent, which at the moment we haven't been able to locate.....?!  So our question is, should there be a vent and if so could this be the source of this strange smell working its way through the bilges and up in to the cupboards? Thanks

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23 minutes ago, David Mack said:

It's not often described as a 'sweet' smell!

 

Maybe it's because we've put so much blue & pink stuff down the loo!

It's not a pleasant sweet smell and originally we thought it was the bin and then we had a panic that it was gas! But a marina engineer at Anderton kindly tested for gas and reassured us it wasn't gas. Another engineer, Aaron @ Gallows Bridge  said he was certain that the smell was a toilet issue but unfortunatley had no time to investigate further. 

12 minutes ago, Yellowback said:

They say covid does strange things to ones sense of smell !!

Haha but we haven't had Covid ;)

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1 hour ago, Loddon said:

The flexible piping to/from the tank becomes permeable after a while leading to smells in the boat. 

But this is a dump through. So there won't be any flexible piping between the toilet and the tank. The only pipe will be the pumpout pipe, and, if it has one, the vent pipe, both of which will be above effluent level and therefore shouldn't become vapour-permeable.

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7 minutes ago, David Mack said:

But this is a dump through. So there won't be any flexible piping between the toilet and the tank. The only pipe will be the pumpout pipe, and, if it has one, the vent pipe, both of which will be above effluent level and therefore shouldn't become vapour-permeable.

Oh but they do!  We had a couple of boats with vent and pump out on the roof, the pipes ran up inside a wardrobe.........which stunk until we replaced the flexible pipes with rigid solvent weld waste pipe

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When the bowl seal is correctly installed, there is a drain/vent between bowl and tank. You really need to find the vent (if it has one) and make sure it has a large bore (say 22mm minimum) and it's not blocked by rust, dead spiders etc.

 

I also can't reconcile a sweet smell with a toilet tank, or even the additives.

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I have a similar arrangement and at one time similar doubts.There is a small overflow hole at the top and back of the pan. Frangar, of this parish, once told me that there was a small 'p' trap or similar behind there and that it dries out. I now keep an old washing up liquid bottle to top it up now and again. Seems to sort all ills!

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14 minutes ago, David Mack said:

But this is a dump through. So there won't be any flexible piping between the toilet and the tank. The only pipe will be the pumpout pipe, and, if it has one, the vent pipe, both of which will be above effluent level and therefore shouldn't become vapour-permeable.

I was refering to the pipe to the pump out fitting and the from the air vent.

Did I mention the pan .............?

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3 hours ago, LoweLife said:

Everything has been working fine but we are getting a strange kind of sweet smell appearing in various cupboards around the boat.

 

As it is sweet, you can be reasonably sure it is nothing to do with the pump-out tank. 

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I've noticed something similar at home - which I put down to change of diet - mebe brought on by CoVid shortages / resteictions.

My Management (as she is wont) says I'm talking a lot of cahones, but I think Boris is doctoring our food (well probably changes in how our food is preserved and distributed....

 

We're all Doomed - doomed I tell ye......

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Never mind about stinky toilets, what about the effect Covid is having on folks lug holes. If this pandemic goes on for hundreds and thousands of years and wearing masks think what's going to happen to peoples ears. We'll all look like Dr Spock or prince Charles, ears sticking out permanently like jug handles because of the continual forward pull by the masks strings tied off on the ears. Not good heading into the wind as they will disrupt one aerodynamics and stunt forward progress, never mind dreadful ear aches, glue ear and frostbite.  Also much easier for enemies to administer clip around the ears. Evolution dictates this kind of thing if the pandemic goes on and on and on, on ,on .on, on.  Take Moorhens and Coots for example, both wishing they had webbed feet to swim about quicker, like the ducks instead of struggling along.   Mark my words.  :closedeyes:

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34 minutes ago, David Mack said:

 

What's notable with his ears?

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Not much, who is it.   Anyway, if this happens folk will have to stick them back where they were by either Gorilla gluing, pop riveting or press studs.

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3 hours ago, bizzard said:

Never mind about stinky toilets, what about the effect Covid is having on folks lug holes. If this pandemic goes on for hundreds and thousands of years and wearing masks think what's going to happen to peoples ears. We'll all look like Dr Spock or prince Charles, ears sticking out permanently like jug handles because of the continual forward pull by the masks strings tied off on the ears. Not good heading into the wind as they will disrupt one aerodynamics and stunt forward progress, never mind dreadful ear aches, glue ear and frostbite.  Also much easier for enemies to administer clip around the ears. Evolution dictates this kind of thing if the pandemic goes on and on and on, on ,on .on, on.  Take Moorhens and Coots for example, both wishing they had webbed feet to swim about quicker, like the ducks instead of struggling along.   Mark my words.  :closedeyes:

 

7 out of 10. 

 

 

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On 23/08/2021 at 17:51, David Mack said:

But this is a dump through. So there won't be any flexible piping between the toilet and the tank. The only pipe will be the pumpout pipe, and, if it has one, the vent pipe, both of which will be above effluent level and therefore shouldn't become vapour-permeable.

 

I had this with my pump out pipes and also the vent pipe that never got touched by anything.

 

I argued with Leesan that the dry vent pipe had gone porous and stank with a strange sweet odour...they said it couldn't. I cut a six inch section and posted it to them to smell..

 

They never replied. 

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On 23/08/2021 at 18:03, JamesWoolcock said:

I have a similar arrangement and at one time similar doubts.There is a small overflow hole at the top and back of the pan. Frangar, of this parish, once told me that there was a small 'p' trap or similar behind there and that it dries out. I now keep an old washing up liquid bottle to top it up now and again. Seems to sort all ills!

They deleted the overflow on later & current models….I do wonder if this was because they had complaints about smells….however if the water valve sticks for any reason you now get a flooded bathroom! Things are not always progress! 

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On 23/08/2021 at 19:45, bizzard said:

Never mind about stinky toilets, what about the effect Covid is having on folks lug holes. If this pandemic goes on for hundreds and thousands of years and wearing masks think what's going to happen to peoples ears. We'll all look like Dr Spock or prince Charles, ears sticking out permanently like jug handles because of the continual forward pull by the masks strings tied off on the ears. Not good heading into the wind as they will disrupt one aerodynamics and stunt forward progress, never mind dreadful ear aches, glue ear and frostbite.  Also much easier for enemies to administer clip around the ears. Evolution dictates this kind of thing if the pandemic goes on and on and on, on ,on .on, on.  Take Moorhens and Coots for example, both wishing they had webbed feet to swim about quicker, like the ducks instead of struggling along.   Mark my words.  :closedeyes:

Good, ask anyone who wears hearing aids, glasses and a mask all at the same time.

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3 hours ago, Bobbybass said:

 

I had this with my pump out pipes and also the vent pipe that never got touched by anything.

 

I argued with Leesan that the dry vent pipe had gone porous and stank with a strange sweet odour...they said it couldn't. I cut a six inch section and posted it to them to smell..

 

They never replied. 

 

I can't imagine that introducing a six inch gap in the pipe did anything to reduce the smell...

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