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4 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Is that REALLY foilised bubble wrap and gaffer tape ?

 

If so how an earth has it passed the BSS - its a death trap.

 

It doesn't look like foilised bubble wrap and gaffer tape to me. What makes you think that is what it is?

 

Having said that... if it is bubble wrap and gaffer tape, I would agree.

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48 minutes ago, Richard10002 said:

 

It doesn't look like foilised bubble wrap and gaffer tape to me. What makes you think that is what it is?

 

Having said that... if it is bubble wrap and gaffer tape, I would agree.

 

14 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

It does to me.  What do you think it is?

 

 

I guess we will never know if he doesn't answer my question.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Richard10002 said:

 

It doesn't look like foilised bubble wrap and gaffer tape to me. What makes you think that is what it is?

 

Having said that... if it is bubble wrap and gaffer tape, I would agree.

 

1 hour ago, TheBiscuits said:

 

It does to me.  What do you think it is?

I suspect Richard was looking at Matty's picture of plain aluminium foil hanging behind the stove.

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Hi, thanks for your concerns, I have looked up the orders and they are shown below, they have been up two years, but I would take them down  if more experienced think they’re a risk. I did point them out on last bss as I explained walls were getting too warm for my liking.But he never really looked at them, just said fire would of got hotter as I had given it a bit of revamp.

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9 hours ago, waterworks said:

Because it's flammable.

Says flame resistant on the spec, are you saying it is flammable?

4 hours ago, TheBiscuits said:

 

It does to me.  What do you think it is?

 

  

 

Says non flammable. Do you disagree ?

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9 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Is that REALLY foilised bubble wrap and gaffer tape ?

 

If so how an earth has it passed the BSS - its a death trap.

Has been fine over last two winters, do you think it is not appropriate.?

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https://www.superfoil.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/

 

You do a specialised fire rated range, does that mean your other products are dangerous?


Not at all! We don’t believe in cutting corners here at SuperFOIL.

 

All of our standard SuperFOIL products comply with UK building regulations for residential use, with a fire rating of ‘E’ when installed behind plasterboard

 

 

For reference, here's the Euroclass table:

 

 

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12 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

https://www.superfoil.co.uk/frequently-asked-questions/

 

You do a specialised fire rated range, does that mean your other products are dangerous?


Not at all! We don’t believe in cutting corners here at SuperFOIL.

 

All of our standard SuperFOIL products comply with UK building regulations for residential use, with a fire rating of ‘E’ when installed behind plasterboard

 

 

For reference, here's the Euroclass table:

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Timx said:

Has been fine over last two winters, do you think it is not appropriate.?

 

 

Class E when installed BEHIND plasterboard, you are not even covering it - yes I think it is VERY inappropriate.

 

You have been very lucky, don't push your luck again this Winter.

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Thanks, I will take it down, how can they say non flammable…? Disgraceful.

will look for something else, although the fire doesn’t get as hot now as that first year.

Thanks for looking.

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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:

Class E - yes I think it is VERY inappropriate.

 

You have been very lucky, don't push your luck again this Winter.

 

It's only Class E (Combustible, High contribution to fire) when it's half an inch of plasterboard away from fire!

 

Take it out, preferably tonight or at least tomorrow!

 

My stove surround is built to the current recommendations - 25mm thick Calcium Silicate board (kiln lining, rated at 1100 degrees celsius) with a 10mm air space behind that ...

 

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Just now, TheBiscuits said:

 

It's only Class E (Combustible, High contribution to fire) when it's half an inch of plasterboard away from fire!

 

Take it out, preferably tonight or at least tomorrow!

 

My stove surround is built to the current recommendations - 25mm thick Calcium Silicate board (kiln lining, rated at 1100 degrees celsius) with a 10mm air space behind that ...

 

 

I know, I included that in my post.

If it is surface mounted it will have an ever worse rating - spontaneous combustion ?

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10 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:

 

It's only Class E (Combustible, High contribution to fire) when it's half an inch of plasterboard away from fire!

 

Take it out, preferably tonight or at least tomorrow!

 

My stove surround is built to the current recommendations - 25mm thick Calcium Silicate board (kiln lining, rated at 1100 degrees celsius) with a 10mm air space behind that ...

 

The fire board, is fine, I just used this to reflect heat, I will take it down, and probably don’t need it anymore, however, I can’t find the rating on the link to product provided, so it may be A1, as it says non flammable , and not e that goes behind fire board.

will find another product anyway, thanks for your answers.

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8 hours ago, Timx said:

The fire board, is fine, I just used this to reflect heat, I will take it down, and probably don’t need it anymore, however, I can’t find the rating on the link to product provided, so it may be A1, as it says non flammable , and not e that goes behind fire board.

will find another product anyway, thanks for your answers.

 

I'm reading it that all of their products are E-rated when protected by a plasterboard protection - why would they perform better when not protected ?

 

When we had our house built, the span of some of the rooms meant that they has to use RSJ's, which they then covered in plasterboard. I queried why steel joists required protecting but wooden beams didn't. I was surprised by the answer.

 

"Wood chars in a fire stuation which protects it from burning further, eventually it will burn away but it can take many hours before the ceiling will come down. With steel beams (RSJs) the heat softens the metal allowing it to bend and can drop off its end-supports so the ceiling collapses landing on people underneath and / or blocking exits, Plaster board is a fire and heat resistant protective coating".

 

Apparently there are different 'colours' of plasterboad to denote the fire-protection rating.

15mm British Gypsum Gyproc FireLine Plasterboard Tapered Edge 2400mm x 1200mm (8' x 4') (builderdepot.co.uk)

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14 minutes ago, waterworks said:

Another reminder about foil bubble wrap being mis-sold as insulation.

 

https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/stay-away-from-foil-faced-bubble-wrap

Hi, got the fire going hot, but only one third full, and the wall where I took that stuff down is hot to touch, mainly the edge nearest the fire, do you find this on your wood nearest the fire, it is quite hot, think this was my original thoughts before I put the aluminium up.It is measured bss compliant, but seems too hot to me again. Or is this normal ?

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31 minutes ago, waterworks said:

Another reminder about foil bubble wrap being mis-sold as insulation.

 

https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/stay-away-from-foil-faced-bubble-wrap

Since the main benefit from foil-faced bubble wrap is due to its radiant-barrier facing, the product is basically worthless unless it faces an air space.
So if it is facing an air space, as mine was, it’s radiant barrier effect works, the wood ,now exposed is getting hot, as before the foil,it was  cool to touch, hot wood is worse than cool reflective foil.

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12 hours ago, Timx said:

Since the main benefit from foil-faced bubble wrap is due to its radiant-barrier facing, the product is basically worthless unless it faces an air space.
So if it is facing an air space, as mine was, it’s radiant barrier effect works, the wood ,now exposed is getting hot, as before the foil,it was  cool to touch, hot wood is worse than cool reflective foil.

There shouldn't be any wood near enough to the stove to get hot.

 

If there is it can reach a super dry state over time and then self combust via pyrolysis even if it's not even being scortched in normal use. 

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