howardang Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Some forum members may be interested to hear that the Ever Given is halfway down the Suez Canal proceeding south after leaving Felixstowe a little while ago. Keep your fingers crossed that she makes it this time! Howard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Experience is a wonderful thing! Probably travelling light, empty containers back to China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebotco Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 And a new driver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Tracy D'arth said: Experience is a wonderful thing! Probably travelling light, empty containers back to China? She was empty when she left Felixstow unless she returned and loaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Do they not use a canal pilot when in the canal? It would be very wasteful to send it halfway around the world completely empty. I thought it had hull damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said: Do they not use a canal pilot when in the canal? It would be very wasteful to send it halfway around the world completely empty. I thought it had hull damage? That is what I thought, Thought she was being blacked at the same time 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilgePump Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Why would it have any need to go back loaded. What do China need that they can't make locally for a fraction of the price here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbfiresprite Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, BilgePump said: Why would it have any need to go back loaded. What do China need that they can't make locally for a fraction of the price here? A product to copy in the first place, Cars for a example. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dead-ringers-history-chinese-copycat-car https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/87772/chinese-copycat-cars-how-do-they-get-away-with-it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav and Pen Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 It’s going back empty to dry dock in Asia as there is hull damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardang Posted August 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Dav and Pen said: It’s going back empty to dry dock in Asia as there is hull damage. I understand that Lloyds List today reported that she is bound for Qingdao in China, and then the ultimate destination may well be Singapore for repairs. I believe she may have a part cargo on board. There have been a number of rumours over the last few weeks that bercause of some bottom damage she has had a speed restriction imposed on her- I assume by her classification society - and I see that she has seldom exceeded 12.5 knots since she left the Canal heading for Europe. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droshky Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Ah, Qingdao. Hard weather. A decent sports history, big lads who provide many of China’s basketball players and a few soccer stars. More importantly, due to the imperialist era German concession, the home of perhaps the (eponymous) actual best lager anywhere. Pretty readily available at your local specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, nbfiresprite said: A product to copy in the first place, Cars for a example. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/dead-ringers-history-chinese-copycat-car https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/87772/chinese-copycat-cars-how-do-they-get-away-with-it Half the latest Volvos you see on the roads were built in China. As it happens they are not delivered to the UK by sea. They come by rail via Russia. The Chinese didn't copy them, to misquote an old TV advertisement they liked them so much they bought the company Edited August 21, 2021 by Slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchcrawler Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 I noticed this morning that my toothpaste is made in China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilgePump Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ditchcrawler said: I noticed this morning that my toothpaste is made in China All the boxes of NHS lateral flow tests proudly state China as the country of manufacture, Fujian province listed on the one I'm looking at. Edited to add: they're not 'Lateral flow', they're 'Rapid Antigen Test' kits. We've had to learn a whole new lexicon. Who had ever heard the word 'furlough' before March 2020? Edited August 21, 2021 by BilgePump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J R ALSOP Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Just as an aside, why is it called the Suez Canal and not the Suez Channel as it is connected directly to the sea either end? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 I know it shouldn't, but this meme from back when it first happened made me laugh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie patrick Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 16 hours ago, J R ALSOP said: Just as an aside, why is it called the Suez Canal and not the Suez Channel as it is connected directly to the sea either end? De Lesseps was French, and in French they are the same word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy D'arth Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, magpie patrick said: De Lesseps was French, and in French they are the same word Ferdinand did the same down S America way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 21 hours ago, magpie patrick said: De Lesseps was French, and in French they are the same word The Suez design was more the work of the Austrian Alois Negrelli who, I think, was also involved with the Corinth Canal. This is his grave in the Centralfriedhof in Vienna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom_iv Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 20/08/2021 at 18:13, Tracy D'arth said: Do they not use a canal pilot when in the canal? Unfortunately this is a legal requirement. And probably the reason why they had an accident last time 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, phantom_iv said: Unfortunately this is a legal requirement. And probably the reason why they had an accident last time 🙄 Could you expand on that please? Do you know the technicalities of why it happened? I've never seen a peep in the mainstream media explaining why the vessel lost control and steered up the bank. On my NB, going too fast in a narrow and shallow channel makes the boat dive for the bank but somehow, I suspect ships of this size are (usually) better controlled. Thanks. (My guess has always been some sort of mechanical or systems failure, rather than human failure.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mack Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, MtB said: (My guess has always been some sort of mechanical or systems failure, rather than human failure.) Or possibly some sort of mechanical or systems failure, combined with human failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtB Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, David Mack said: Or possibly some sort of mechanical or systems failure, combined with human failure. Possibly yes. But it is curious the way no-one seems to know for sure though, and how the media is Just Not Interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav and Pen Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 I first went through the Suez in 1959. The pilot was East German and was a Baltic pilot. Apparently when all the old pilots left and the Egyptians took over there were not enough trained local ones so their friends the soviets supplied some of theirs. This man said he was promised his family would be sent so he took the job hoping to get them all out but of course the family never came. Our captain did not like the Germans after being sunk in WW2 so wouldn’t speak to the pilot all the way through but kept repeating the steering orders to the helmsman . This pilot certainly didn’t get a bottle of scotch or carton of cigarettes as was normal practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom_iv Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, MtB said: Could you expand on that please? Do you know the technicalities of why it happened? I've never seen a peep in the mainstream media explaining why the vessel lost control and steered up the bank. On my NB, going too fast in a narrow and shallow channel makes the boat dive for the bank but somehow, I suspect ships of this size are (usually) better controlled. For example: https://splash247.com/damning-report-emerges-of-the-pilots-onboard-the-ever-given/ It's quite normal for the idiots that pass for Suez pilots to order "full ahead" without any understanding of the performance of the vessel involved - in some cases on vessels capable of speeds nearing 30 knots. In most cases the master of the ship will just refuse to comply with the pilot, and proceed at a more sensible speed instead. It's not unheard of for pilots to sulk and refuse to do their jobs if the ship's captain refuses to bribe them with cartons of cigarettes. In the case of the Ever Given, the (likely inexperienced) Indian captain has failed to overrule the pilot, leading to excessive speed and exactly the same result as your NB - which, I expect is probably better controlled. Edit: the comments on the article paint a picture by themselves! Edited August 23, 2021 by phantom_iv 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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